shines@times
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I can't argue. You make good points.
Endangered Grizzly Bear Photo Thread
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shines@times
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Years ago, Alaska used the excuse for requiring non-residents to hire guides in order to hunt Dall sheep and Brown/Grizzly bears that it was for the safety of NR hunter, unfamiliar with the challenges of the terrain and weather conditions. I have often wondered if the state extended the requirement to NR hunters pursuing Mountain goats because of the glaring hypocrisy, or if goats gained enough prestige that the state's outfitters complained about losing revenue to DIY non-resident hunters.
shines@times
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I'm sure that I am not the only one whose interest in sheep hunting was inspired by reading Jack O'Connor articles and books, though I might be the only one here who actually read some of those stories in "Outdoor Life" when the issues were fresh on the magazine rack in the grocery store!
I don't remember Jack ever writing about building points in order to have a chance to draw a tag. I do recall him complaining in later years that he wished he'd never written about sheep "grand slams." Popularizing sheep hunting caused him some of the same consternation we observe voiced in this forum when some feel that the members are too free with information. The fact is, we live on a planet over-populated by people competing for limited resources. At least in countries with effective and responsive wildlife management, popularizing a given game species creates more interest in the animal, hence more political pressure to see it preserved and funding to effect management to that end.
I envy your grandfather's opportunity to purchase a sheep tag "over the counter" and hunt such country as the Frank Church Wilderness. I hope your own children will not have to envy the opportunity we celebrate in these pages and which you are able to anticipate today.
Welcome to the thread! By the way, what is "a true OIL state?"
shines@times
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Probably, since yours wasn't taken in an UL unit. But you have likely noticed that we tend to rein in the hall monitors too, since we all enjoy the wild sheep and their environs.Ill get a picture up...... but also was a little worried that I would derail the thread and get scolded for it
Personally, I would really enjoy seeing a photo or two of your grandfathers 1982 unlimited ram. Do you know which unit he hunted?
shines@times
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Damned despicable that mess! What is really puzzling is how those same a****les probably speak of how much they love the wilderness. Thanks for packing out somebody else's trash.
I hauled five tires and parts of a kitchen ranges out of some forest service land recently. I have to admit that the problem is so prevalent anymore that I usually either just shake my head, or pick up just recyclables or items I can re-utilize myself. (The tires will either be filled with sand for target backstops or used for raised-bed plantings.)
shines@times
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Geetar, When I first began researching the Bighorn unlimited units in contemplation of a hunt--it would have been about 1981 or 1982, there actually was an unlimited Grizzly unit. I'm vague with four-decade-old details; but I think it was in the Bob Marshall/Scapegoat. The quota was one bear, if I recall correctly, and the season closed when a bear was killed period, even if not by a hunter. All the talk about Grizzlies in the thread has made me hope that a building and expanding population might result in a revival of the idea.
brownbear932008
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Well it is isn't it? I mean that's the only reason I'd stop there besides fuel and snacks.
shines@times
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You hire a strawman?You never know who is behind the name...... he might know something.
And Johnsonville Summer sausage
sacountry
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I have to admit, this thread is more of a chat room BUT like so many others excluding Sir @Gerald Martin , I enjoy plugging in. What truly sucks about it......there might be a joke that's 10 pages old so if you stay on top of the thread you're lost. As example. the Johnsonville summer sausage comments remain a mystery to me.
I’m guessing only the ram knows?
Bluffgruff
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Unfirtunate experience with processed meat product gave one prolific contributor to this thread an excuse to GTFO of his sheep hunt early one year secondary to intestinal distress.
Straight Arrow
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It seems this pandemic has resulted in multitudes of comedians and jokesters out of work. I think they are all on Hunt Talk now!
520 Road Sow
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If you don't know what the summer sausage deal is its cause you ain't a "OG" on this thread.
Serious inquiry regarding the Unlimited Sheep:
How much interest or support is there to have a sub-chapter of sorts of the WSF solely focused on promoting Unlimited style sheep hunting?
This thread, if nothing else, highlights the multitudes of people out there that hold the ULs in high regard, whether they participate in the hunt or not. I know within my group of friends, the Montana Wild Sheep Foundation Banquet seems to be the place where a small group of us can run into each other and discuss the unique issues that face the ULs, versus the limited draw hunts. There are numerous guys on here that have the passion and a few connections to maybe make something of it.
It's not that the Unlimited Sheep hunts don't benefit from the hard work and efforts of the WSF, but that they face issues that limited hunts don't. I look at HB202- A well intentioned bill to make MSG in Montana a Once-In-A-Lifetime opportunity that failed this past spring. While this seems great for limited draw hunts, it could seriously impact the Unlimiteds. Anyone here who doesn't think that removing opportunity for those most passionate about these hunts and locations would negatively impact the whole system in a multitude of ways is short sighted, IMO. Sheep hunting in the United States has become the past time for the wealthy more than any other species I can think of. Go to a banquet, and the vast majority of people are either waiting to get their one opportunity in a draw, have had their one opportunity, or they are financially in a place where they can go year in and out. Nothing like an RMEF, DU, or PF banquet where most everyone is on "equal" footing. The Unlimited Hunts go in the face of this, and as such, have gained the reverence that they have.
However, I fear that we are one legislative change, or even one retirement away, from having this very thing fade away. We can see the writing on the wall, locally at least, that hunting and species management decisions have become political. Without a unified and active voice to advocate for what we all see as an incredible gift, we may very well lose "this" to a decision made in marble and mahogany halls instead of the rocky crags of the Beartooths.
I think a local chapter within the MTWSF is possibly a start, but I would much rather see a national subchapter of the WSF. That way the influence and advocacy could potentially be used to promote this style of hunt in other locations outside of Montana.
I don't know where to start with this, and am by no means someone with the voice to take this baton to the finish line. But I know there's a grassroots community out there of our members, as well as those without the online footprint of HT, that I would fully support in this endeavor.
I don't need responses to this posed question- but I guess I would ask that you each consider what the ULs mean to you and get involved in some manner to ensure that in the meantime, we have a voice.
How much interest or support is there to have a sub-chapter of sorts of the WSF solely focused on promoting Unlimited style sheep hunting?
This thread, if nothing else, highlights the multitudes of people out there that hold the ULs in high regard, whether they participate in the hunt or not. I know within my group of friends, the Montana Wild Sheep Foundation Banquet seems to be the place where a small group of us can run into each other and discuss the unique issues that face the ULs, versus the limited draw hunts. There are numerous guys on here that have the passion and a few connections to maybe make something of it.
It's not that the Unlimited Sheep hunts don't benefit from the hard work and efforts of the WSF, but that they face issues that limited hunts don't. I look at HB202- A well intentioned bill to make MSG in Montana a Once-In-A-Lifetime opportunity that failed this past spring. While this seems great for limited draw hunts, it could seriously impact the Unlimiteds. Anyone here who doesn't think that removing opportunity for those most passionate about these hunts and locations would negatively impact the whole system in a multitude of ways is short sighted, IMO. Sheep hunting in the United States has become the past time for the wealthy more than any other species I can think of. Go to a banquet, and the vast majority of people are either waiting to get their one opportunity in a draw, have had their one opportunity, or they are financially in a place where they can go year in and out. Nothing like an RMEF, DU, or PF banquet where most everyone is on "equal" footing. The Unlimited Hunts go in the face of this, and as such, have gained the reverence that they have.
However, I fear that we are one legislative change, or even one retirement away, from having this very thing fade away. We can see the writing on the wall, locally at least, that hunting and species management decisions have become political. Without a unified and active voice to advocate for what we all see as an incredible gift, we may very well lose "this" to a decision made in marble and mahogany halls instead of the rocky crags of the Beartooths.
I think a local chapter within the MTWSF is possibly a start, but I would much rather see a national subchapter of the WSF. That way the influence and advocacy could potentially be used to promote this style of hunt in other locations outside of Montana.
I don't know where to start with this, and am by no means someone with the voice to take this baton to the finish line. But I know there's a grassroots community out there of our members, as well as those without the online footprint of HT, that I would fully support in this endeavor.
I don't need responses to this posed question- but I guess I would ask that you each consider what the ULs mean to you and get involved in some manner to ensure that in the meantime, we have a voice.
And your life is better for that.
TBoschma
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He was in the Spanish peaks right before it became a draw.
on the true OIL state is short for a Once In A Lifetime tag, so in Idaho if you fill a sheep tag you are done for life and cannot kill another sheep in that state, unless its a Californian bighorn (south of I-84) then they have their own tags.
Unless you’re rich and buy the auction tag or buy your way to the raffle tag and then keep hammering rams in the name of conservation
shines@times
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Thanks! My old brain couldn't dredge up a meaning, and it was much too late to wade through online search results for "OIL"
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shines@times
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It originates much farther back than ten pages. Our illustrious EYJONAS regaled us with the tale of how he had to evacuate the wilderness while evacuating his guts along the trail--I believe it was at least two seasons ago now. He claims convenience store sausage was responsible.
