Coronavirus and CWD
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rtraverdavis
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I think this staying at home stuff ALL THE TIME is starting to mess with us.
beagle001
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Tomato/potato, but it is certainly unsettling
VikingsGuy
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Hunting Wife
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There is some non-zero risk of that happening, which is what health professionals have been concerned about. But these diseases are so different it isn’t even comparable. The risk is no different than it was pre-coronavirus.
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CWD and coronavirus are so vastly different, I'm not sure they are easily comparable. One is a protein, the other a virus.
At this point I am more concerned about what CWD means for herd numbers and health. Hearing what Michael Osterholm had to say about CWD on Rogan was a little concerning. I'll probably make an effort to have me deer tested once it is confirmed in the areas I hunt. I hope some day there will be a way for hunters to test deer themselves.
EXCELLENT INFORMATION!!!
An informative READ:
FROM THE INFECTIOUS DISEASE DEPARTMENT AT JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY
*The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
*Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
*The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
*HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
*Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
*Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
*Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
*NO BACTERICIDE SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; they cannot kill what is not alive with antibiotics, but quickly disintegrate its structure with everything said.
*NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous), 4 hours (copper, because it is naturally antiseptic; and wood, because it removes all the moisture and does not let it peel off and disintegrates, 24 hours (cardboard), 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic). But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours and can lodge in your nose.
*The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars. They also need moisture to stay stable and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
*UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is a protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and akin cancer.
*The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin
*Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat
*NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%
*LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol
*The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less
*This has been said over and over- you have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote controls, cell phones, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom-You have to HUMIDIFY HANDS DRY from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better Also keep your nails SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
An informative READ:
FROM THE INFECTIOUS DISEASE DEPARTMENT AT JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY
*The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
*Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
*The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
*HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
*Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
*Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
*Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
*NO BACTERICIDE SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; they cannot kill what is not alive with antibiotics, but quickly disintegrate its structure with everything said.
*NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous), 4 hours (copper, because it is naturally antiseptic; and wood, because it removes all the moisture and does not let it peel off and disintegrates, 24 hours (cardboard), 42 hours (metal) and 72 hours (plastic). But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours and can lodge in your nose.
*The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars. They also need moisture to stay stable and especially darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
*UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is a protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and akin cancer.
*The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin
*Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat
*NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%
*LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol
*The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less
*This has been said over and over- you have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote controls, cell phones, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom-You have to HUMIDIFY HANDS DRY from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better Also keep your nails SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
VikingsGuy
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In my opinion, Osterholm will always define the high end of risk in any setting. Folks in MN have seen that for years. I am not taking any particular position on the trajectory of this - just adding context for the filtering of one expert's opinion.
VikingsGuy
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EXCELLENT INFORMATION!!!
An informative READ:
FROM THE INFECTIOUS DISEASE DEPARTMENT AT JOHNS HOPKINS UNIVERSITY
*The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
*Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
Can you provide John Hopkins link in support of the top two bullets as they are scientifically inaccurate statements.
ImBillT
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Covid-19 is certainly the problem at hand, and what I’m more likely to contract, but CWD worries me more. The incubation period for CWD is multiple years. The death is longer and more drawn out, with a probable mental degradation that would be torture on its own. With BSE(mad cow) and Kuru there wasn’t any transmission from cow to cow or person to person without actually eating the infected cow or person. At the time of the BSE outbreak in Europe, parts of cattle that didn’t make it to the human food supply were added back to cattle feed as a protein source. The scary part of CWD and Scrapie are that they are contagious from deer to deer and sheep to sheep via casual contact rather than by having to eat the infected animal. This leaves open the possibility that if CWD ever made the jump to humans, that it could be multiple years before the first person became symptomatic, and he could infect people through casual contact for years prior to that. It could then take years from that point before the people he infected became symptomatic. If you think a 14 day incubation period is scary, imagine 2+ years.
The probability of CWD making the jump to humans increases with the number of humans who eat CWD infected meat. I get my deer and elk tested and I don’t eat them before I get the results back.
The probability of CWD making the jump to humans increases with the number of humans who eat CWD infected meat. I get my deer and elk tested and I don’t eat them before I get the results back.
Here's the long version
www.mdpi.com
The Coronavirus E Protein: Assembly and Beyond
The coronavirus E protein is a small membrane protein that has an important role in the assembly of virions. Recent studies have indicated that the E protein has functions during infection beyond assembly, including in virus egress and in the host stress response. Additionally, the E protein has...
www.mdpi.com
VikingsGuy
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Thanks for the post. Corrections to the first two bullets from your original post:Here's the long version
The Coronavirus E Protein: Assembly and Beyond
The coronavirus E protein is a small membrane protein that has an important role in the assembly of virions. Recent studies have indicated that the E protein has functions during infection beyond assembly, including in virus egress and in the host stress response. Additionally, the E protein has...
*The virus is not a living organism, but a
*Since the virus is not a living organism
I was very attached to the interview right up until the book promotion. Almost felt as though it turned into a paid advertisement. Still hold some of the fear from his shared content though not near the doomsday-ish/catastrophic outlook projected.
BuzzH
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Funny how the people on the CV19 threads that wont believe a single expert...believe a single expert on CWD.
People are interesting.
VikingsGuy
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Confirmation Bias owns hunttalk this month!
BuzzH
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Isnt that the truth...
VikingsGuy
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rjthehunter
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Yeah, where is our buddy??
