Conservation or Big Beautiful Ballrooms?

[Bonasababy]

I hope so. I don't think you read the link he posted and you were responding to the thread title. After reading the link I took your point to be "Fraud happens...so it is ok if the President commits a little fraud".

I also point out that your AP link is from 2023 and contains the sentence below. So it was illegal and was being prosecuted, at least in 2023. Unfortunately we DOGE'd a lot of people in anti-fraud investigative units, so I'm not sure these days.

The U.S. government has charged more than 2,230 defendants with pandemic-related fraud crimes and is conducting thousands of investigations.

In MN...ground zero for pandemic fraud if you believe the MAGA party...they have dropped cases and let people go. Missing deadlines, not complying with orders... So many federal lawyers quit. Judges are ripping Trumps Justice department a new one.

Seems like every month Trump is pardoning fraudsters and those convicted of crimes.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-grants-pardon-former-us-congressman-convicted-insider-trading-2026-06-06/

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/forget-doj-trump-pardon-call-bobby-other-influencers-2026-06-11/

 

[406dn]

Nope, white elephant are your words. Are you wanting to put a permanent line item in the budget to update it as required?

Actually a one time line item, for its demolition.

 

[Nick87]

Face it. They're all crooked.

 

[Carnage2011]

In MN...ground zero for pandemic fraud if you believe the MAGA party...they have dropped cases and let people go. Missing deadlines, not complying with orders... So many federal lawyers quit. Judges are ripping Trumps Justice department a new one.

Seems like every month Trump is pardoning fraudsters and those convicted of crimes.

https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-grants-pardon-former-us-congressman-convicted-insider-trading-2026-06-06/

https://www.reuters.com/investigations/forget-doj-trump-pardon-call-bobby-other-influencers-2026-06-11/

I’m ready for the Trump era to be done for sure, but for a MN resident to be yapping about pardons is hilarious. Who did Walz just try and pardon? You’re complaining about an insider trading pardon (which I agree is BS) then you better be complaining about Walz sex offender due to his “immigration concerns.”

 

[Bonasababy]

I’m ready for the Trump era to be done for sure, but for a MN resident to be yapping about pardons is hilarious. Who did Walz just try and pardon? You’re complaining about an insider trading pardon (which I agree is BS) then you better be complaining about Walz sex offender due to his “immigration concerns.”

Whataboutism....

FWIW I do not support that pardon but the details...including pleas from the victim for a pardon that are well known here (but you wont hear from far right sources) muddy the waters.

At the least it was politically stupid, and they (it wasnt Walz alone making the decision) did listen to and take into account the victims views.

Ask the Eppstein survivors how they feel about Trumps DOJ not being willing to even meet with or listen to them.

 

[Carnage2011]

Whataboutism....

FWIW I do not support that pardon but the details...including pleas from the victim for a pardon that are well known here (but you wont hear from far right sources) muddy the waters.

At the least it was politically stupid, and they (it wasnt Walz alone making the decision) did listen to and take into account the victims views.

Ask the Eppstein survivors how they feel about Trumps DOJ not being willing to even meet with or listen to them.

Everything with politics is whataboutism. That’s the whole point. You complain about Trump and can’t comprehend how people support him. Trump supporters do the same thing with Walz/Harris/Biden. It’s literally choosing the least “bad” side.

Prime example of whataboutism…your last paragraph. I’m down to throw every pedo in prison (or public hanging). There is no muddying the waters with sexual assault…

 

[Irrelevant]

My point, apparently not so obvious, is people are hyper-focused on a building structure addition to protect politicians from the crazies. No matter who is in the WH, it will be used for decades to come. Yet, the same people ignore literally hundreds of other billions that we got nothing for.

It's not that hard to find the articles if you bother to look. If you are waiting for your media to call it out, it may be a while. Just a couple of samples below ... you might trust at least one of these links ... maybe not.

The Great Grift: How billions in COVID-19 relief aid was stolen or wasted

An Associated Press analysis found that fraudsters potentially stole more than $280 billion in COVID-19 relief funding; another $123 billion was wasted or misspent.

apnews.com

Gavin Newsom’s Empire of Fraud

California has lost at least $180 billion to fraud, according to officials and experts.

www.city-journal.org

Gotcha.

"Most of the looted money was swiped from three large pandemic-relief initiatives launched during the Trump administration and inherited by President Joe Biden."

I support the continued prosecution of these thieves.

 

[Nick87]

Gotcha.

"Most of the looted money was swiped from three large pandemic-relief initiatives launched during the Trump administration and inherited by President Joe Biden."

I support the continued prosecution of these thieves.

I dont know if we will ever know how many people ripped off those pandemic funds or the grand amount. Regardless who was president at the time ( i think there was plenty under both). What happens to that money? It's gone all the honest folks like us are stuck paying the price of the inflation. Sometimes i think like woukd be better/easier to just be a criminal.