Do you answer questions or is casting dispersion your only talent? I asked you upon what personal observations of locations and #'s you base your assumptions upon. #'s and drainage will get you extra credit if you wish to not show your vast intimate knowledge on the area a pm will do. So as to not pull all these people into where you saw and elk and shot an elk during your in depth grand county adventure.
I take all of this with a grain of salt having seen a trend in a number of your posts that is definitely anti-government. I know Lyle well-I believe he is retired now by the way. I have spoken with him on several occasions about hunting and game management and I have a great deal of respect for him and his service. He was a very dedicated public servant who was and still is a strong advocate for all hunters. So spare us the trashing. By the way, it appears that you profit off of the public lands renting your llamas out to hunters and hikers who use these lands that belong to all of us. How would you do that if we did not have any public lands or wildlife managers? Or maybe you think that you have better ideas for habitat and game management than the biologists and resource management specialists and their generations of predecessors, all who spend or have spent most of their adult lives managing habitats and wildlife for all of us, including you.
Hey, 100%. I really do not know if they are good forage (I take it not), but I love the work you guys did and were doing while I was just out there. Hearing the helos going everyday and seeing them dragging bambi buckets was a great thing.well yeah, but regrowth is regrowth and ecosystems certainly require more than just elk food.
plus, i only have so many options when it comes to stealing pictures from my co workers without permission
If you're looking in that area and don't like 18 go down to 28. Tough country, thick timber, lots of beetle kill. You can encounter elk everyday...can you actually see them? Questionable... Good place to learn. Best chance to kill if you're hunting first time? No. A lot of hunters? Yep. But that's OTC. Haven't found many areas you don't find sign. Gotta know the right elevation for the season. Don't rely on getting super far from roads. The beetle kill dead and down jack straw creates safe areas very close to roads.
Welcome to HT.
2020 was bad year for fires unit 18 and 28
First draw rifle unit 18 total draw elk tags 1671 and 421 ML tags. I didn't count private land or second draw, either sex archery,antlerless elk archery.
It probably doesn't change your point and I don't really care either way, but the 4th season tags mentioned above are Private Land Only - did you take that into account in your calculations? Just curious.
The ES 4th season tags mentioned above are 566 unit-wide tags and 357 PLO, for a total of 923 currently left. We have managed to talk two more folks into giving it a go since Dinkshooter posted.
There are also currently 640 4th season cow tags left. 
.I hiked and glassed a good bit of 18 last year in second rifle otc as a dirty lowlife non resident. I didn't see elk. I found sign, I saw really good pockets they could be in and heard from some resident Backcountry guys that had horses that the elk were in hellholes they didn't want to go into on the west side of the unit. I am an USFS wildland firefighter for 17 years. I can tell you unit 18 was burned hot. However, there are tons of places that didn't get that severity. If you listen to people that have lived in places their whole lives they are always going to think it is armeggedon because anything changed after a fire. The fact is lodge pole forests require stand replacement fires. They are on a century schedule. Not a human schedule. The land management agencies know that now and are trying to balance safety and land restoration. With the build up from a century of fire suppression we are going to have hot fires unfortunately.
The difference is all of 18 was burned and about 10% of 28 was burned.2020 was bad year for fires unit 18 and 28
