Colorado Lion and Bobcat Ballot Initiative Update

[Pagosa]

Really don't see what this information adds to the discussion besides bringing in misogyny and bigotry.

You’re probably correct, just my observation interacting with some segments. I will keep my comments to myself, and I did donate to CRWM, even though I don’t live there. Preston

 

[WYelker]

WYelker, would you please share your sources for these numbers. They are in the ballpark of what I can find, but if I can cite legitimate sources, that would be helpful.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/mountain-lion-highway-california-17770742.php for road kill numbers...

https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/s...ree-strikes-since-none-struck-out/4358738002/

for the 100 killed for depredation (permits). What I cant find is a number to the lions killed by Wildlife Officers (injured, sick, etc.) I did did a story where they are finding more and more starving lions

This for the 12000 lions killed from 1906-1963 During the bounty.

Story Hub

stories.sandiegozoo.org

This one is a good resource for Oregon Data. The data shows a trend. The more protected the lions became them ore lions are getting killed. This classifies both hunter kills and nonhunting kills...

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/erry-2018/09/11563ef7f84586/cougars-killed-in-oregon-by-th.html

 

[Mtn Dawg]

I hope the "average" Colorado hunter sees the writing on the wall. Its the average hunter that allows these ballots measures to get past. Thinking this doesn't affect me, I don't hunt mountain lions.

I deal with this all the time in Montana, I go to work and talk about things Fwp or the legislature is trying to do and no one has a clue.
I hope this doesn't get past.

We are getting the message down here in CO. Dan Gates with Sportsman for Responsible Wildlife Mgmt believes CO is now the proverbial tip of the spear. If these initiatives succeed there will be a cascading effect throughout the conservation/hunting space. This affects all sportsman in every state and we need to defeat it.

 

[MaybelNellie]

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/mountain-lion-highway-california-17770742.php for road kill numbers...

https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/s...ree-strikes-since-none-struck-out/4358738002/

for the 100 killed for depredation (permits). What I cant find is a number to the lions killed by Wildlife Officers (injured, sick, etc.) I did did a story where they are finding more and more starving lions

This for the 12000 lions killed from 1906-1963 During the bounty.

Story Hub

stories.sandiegozoo.org

This one is a good resource for Oregon Data. The data shows a trend. The more protected the lions became them ore lions are getting killed. This classifies both hunter kills and nonhunting kills...

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/erry-2018/09/11563ef7f84586/cougars-killed-in-oregon-by-th.html

Oregon's overall non-hunter to hunter killed numbers percentage-wise look similar to CPW's figures as presented by CPW's carnivore biologist last week at the Commission Meeting. COEngineer: you may have already seen/attended this meeting, but the trend in Colorado would follow to some degree of that seen in Calif if we loose this vote. The thing that I would think throws comparing to Calif to Colo and

 

[Moserkr]

Can with time on their hands find the data for CA that shows attacks on humans after the ban here vs before? May be hard to find. But from what I remember growing up in socal (90's) there were more and more frequent attacks.

 

[Buffs35]

We are getting the message down here in CO. Dan Gates with Sportsman for Responsible Wildlife Mgmt believes CO is now the proverbial tip of the spear. If these initiatives succeed there will be a cascading effect throughout the conservation/hunting space. This affects all sportsman in every state and we need to defeat it.

Same playbook they used for energy production and wolves. A western state where left-leaning urbanites control the entire state based on population density.

And even when you convince the electorate to vote one way (see Proposition 112), Polis and his minions like former rep. KC Becker will make sure the deed is done. They just prefer the voters do it so they don't have to get their hands dirty.

 

[MaybelNellie]

No doubt some are getting the message, but still run into maybe 1 in 4 hunters even at shows that don’t agree with us that this will not end with cats. It’s going to take a solid and very persuasive political campaign, and disprove their bad science. Think also we need to take the high road always that way if we loose we put our best foot forward for the next battle. The wolf SSS comments need to end. Helps nothing.

 

[Laszlo Cravensworth]

Can with time on their hands find the data for CA that shows attacks on humans after the ban here vs before? May be hard to find. But from what I remember growing up in socal (90's) there were more and more frequent attacks.

Here ya go:



The quick googling claims that dog bites are responsible for 38k injuries per year in California.

 

[Pagosa]

Just listened to the spokesman for the Coloradans for Responsible Wildlife Management on a rokside podcast at work. And it’s well worth the time to listen to. A couple things that caught my attention was this not just being a Colorado issue but an issue that could and will likely effect hunting in your own state, since Colorado has become a battleground state for liberal left-wing animal rights activists. These individuals don’t plan to stop at a ban on bobcat and lion hunting, but will gain momentum if it passes. The podcast went into great detail about about the missteps of wolf reintroduction and the lack of scientific based methods for the reintroduction, so you can skip into the podcast to about the 45 minute mark when they begin talking about the bobcat/lion ballot initiatives 91 and 101.

As Oak mentioned these ballot initiatives are a long ways from passing and the CRWM has received generous donations the past few months and this can be defeated. It sounds like the steps that Coloradans for Responsible Wildlife Management has the tools and ability to stop this and potentially get the populace aware.
As hunters we should all donate $10, $50, or whatever you can afford. Or talk to any Colorado residents that are family or friends to have them made aware.

 

[BuzzH]

Just listened to the spokesman for the Coloradans for Responsible Wildlife Management on a rokside podcast at work. And it’s well worth the time to listen to. A couple things that caught my attention was this not just being a Colorado issue but an issue that could and will likely effect hunting in your own state, since Colorado has become a battleground state for liberal left-wing animal rights activists. These individuals don’t plan to stop at a ban on bobcat and lion hunting, but will gain momentum if it passes. The podcast went into great detail about about the missteps of wolf reintroduction and the lack of scientific based methods for the reintroduction, so you can skip into the podcast to about the 45 minute mark when they begin talking about the bobcat/lion ballot initiatives 91 and 101.

As Oak mentioned these ballot initiatives are a long ways from passing and the CRWM has received generous donations the past few months and this can be defeated. It sounds like the steps that Coloradans for Responsible Wildlife Management has the tools and ability to stop this and potentially get the populace aware.
As hunters we should all donate $10, $50, or whatever you can afford. Or talk to any Colorado residents that are family or friends to have them made aware.

So, there are no conservative right-wing animal rights activists? I happen to know some conservatives that supported trapping bans in Montana and Oregon and also voted in favor of banning hound hunting in Oregon for lions and bears.

I think the rhetoric does the cause no good.

 

[Oak]

this not just being a Colorado issue but an issue that could and will likely effect hunting in your own state, since Colorado has become a battleground state
As hunters we should all donate $10, $50, or whatever you can afford.

I think the rhetoric does the cause no good.

I agree with all of this.

 

[HONEYBADGER]

So, there are no conservative right-wing animal rights activists? I happen to know some conservatives that supported trapping bans in Montana and Oregon and also voted in favor of banning hound hunting in Oregon for lions and bears.

I think the rhetoric does the cause no good.

I too know these people. I believe their names are Peter Pan and the Fairy Godmother.

 

[WYelker]

Just sharing with everyone.... This would be great argument against any bans or limits on Lion hunting...

Mountain Lions Kill 15 Dogs In 30 Days in Colorado Town

Mountain lions cut a bloody swath through the dog population around a town in rural Boulder County, Colorado, killing as many as 15 dogs in 30 days.

cowboystatedaily.com

 

[marksjeep]

Que up some Hall and Oates

https://www.postindependent.com/new...s-deemed-a-threat-to-human-health-and-safety/

 

[DFS]

From what I’ve seen from some of the Montana “houndsman” they are the species greatest asset. They tree and release more times than not. I would shoot every one of them but the houndsman love them. Good luck Colorado.

 

[wyoboypt]

From what I’ve seen from some of the Montana “houndsman” they are the species greatest asset. They tree and release more times than not. I would shoot every one of them but the houndsman love them. Good luck Colorado.

They do the same crap here. The houndsman only care about lions, not deer.

 

[bayoublaster7527]

Saw this article come across. Some info on the ballot initiative donors. As we all probably assumed, major anti-hunting $$$$ coming in from out of state orgs.

Out-of-state money dominates fundraising for anti-hunting ballot measure - Complete Colorado

The killing of a mountain lion just for the taking of a "trophy" is already illegal in Colorado.

pagetwo.completecolorado.com

 

[matechakeric]

Just heard Randy & Corey talk about it in their recent podcast. Donated $100. I don't live there but I hunt there occasionally. This sounds like it could be a really big domino that will really hurt us if it falls

Almost certainly the anti-hunting groups will raise way more money than is needed to pass it but it's worth trying

 

[Oak]

Saw this article come across. Some info on the ballot initiative donors. As we all probably assumed, major anti-hunting $$$$ coming in from out of state orgs.

Out-of-state money dominates fundraising for anti-hunting ballot measure - Complete Colorado

The killing of a mountain lion just for the taking of a "trophy" is already illegal in Colorado.

pagetwo.completecolorado.com

$200,000 isn't much money for a ballot initiative.

Just heard Randy & Corey talk about it in their recent podcast. Donated $100. I don't live there but I hunt there occasionally. This sounds like it could be a really big domino that will really hurt us if it falls

Almost certainly the anti-hunting groups will raise way more money than is needed to pass it but it's worth trying

Thanks for helping. Every donation is going to count.

 

[WYelker]

$200,000 isn't much money for a ballot initiative.


Thanks for helping. Every donation is going to count.

I wonder as of the time this article was printed, how up to date was the data/numbers? I would have thought this would have had a huge head start…