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Attack on the Feds independence
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SAJ-99
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Debt is both the main driver of progress overall and, when misused by individuals, an impediment to progress. Mostly the problem isn't debt itself. Debt just brings the benefit of future income to the present. I think the main driver is the human tendency to want to enjoy things now rather than wait until later.
Pretty well known experiment.
Stanford marshmallow experiment - Wikipedia
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It's been quite a few years, but we used to use a debit card, for most purchases. My wife keeps the check book and handles the bills. She told me that making certain there was enough in the checking account to cover a debit charge, was a continual hassle for her.
We switched to using a credit card, and paying off the balance each month. The kicker is you get rewarded with a rebate for using the card. Over a span of time, it adds up. I view it as another sign the world is off kilter a bit. Savings in a savings account makes meager interest, but you can get close to it by being rewarded for incurring a debt. You just have to pay it off monthly, or the pretty high credit card interest will get ahold of you.
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You also have significantly greater consumer protection when your credit card is compromised vs. your debit card. If your credit card is lost or stolen then someone uses it to make unauthorized charges, you are only responsible for up to $50. If unauthorized charges are made with a debit card, you could potentially be liable for the full amount if do not report within two days.
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Paying through the nose, thanks to tariffs...
From data last fall, coffee prices are up 41% since the end of Bidens term.
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So, the Union chairman in me says the break should be paid @overtime rates. That's to keep us whole.
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Contrary to what Trump has claimed, many thousands of MN citizens...including many who lean right politically...have been out protesting. I wish more paid attention to what's happening here, but am confident in the voters to turn things around next fall. The growing # of eyes being opened will assure that. Then comes impeachment....hopefully.
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Flat taxes disproportionately affect lower-income folks @Forkyfinder, here's why:
Let's compare three families of 4. Poverty, middle class, and wealthy. Let's assume google AI is right and the average monthly cost of living for a family of this size in the US is around $8-10k a month. Let's go low-end and say it costs $8k a month, so $96,000 a year.
A family of 4 living at poverty level is making (assuming both parents work) $40k a year. Tax it at 30%, and that leaves $28k to cover cost of living. That family comes out at negative $68,000 for the year.
A family of 4 living at middle class is making $150,000 a year. Taxed at 30%, that leaves $105k to cover cost of living, so that family comes out at plus $9k for the year.
A family of 4 that is wealthy is making $1 million a year. Taxed at 30%, that family still has $700k to cover cost of living, so that family comes out at plus $604k.
This is why we have tax brackets, otherwise it is "regressive." That's also the reason sales taxes on groceries are a problem, they disproportionately affect people in poverty. It makes it impossible for anyone to crawl out.
It also goes to the disparity in mentality surrounding indigent people. For someone without money, the only purpose is to spend it. If it isn't spent it will be taken. A simple slogan that very much applies is:
For the poor: money is for spending. For the middle class: money is for saving. For the wealthy: money is for status.
Trying to apply one mentality to the other doesn't make sense then either, because people's perception of money is tied to the socio-economic status they grew up in.
As seems appropriate given yesterday's holiday, I'll leave off with a MLK jr. quote that I've been pondering lately: "It’s all right to tell a man to lift himself by his own bootstraps, but it is cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps"
Let's compare three families of 4. Poverty, middle class, and wealthy. Let's assume google AI is right and the average monthly cost of living for a family of this size in the US is around $8-10k a month. Let's go low-end and say it costs $8k a month, so $96,000 a year.
A family of 4 living at poverty level is making (assuming both parents work) $40k a year. Tax it at 30%, and that leaves $28k to cover cost of living. That family comes out at negative $68,000 for the year.
A family of 4 living at middle class is making $150,000 a year. Taxed at 30%, that leaves $105k to cover cost of living, so that family comes out at plus $9k for the year.
A family of 4 that is wealthy is making $1 million a year. Taxed at 30%, that family still has $700k to cover cost of living, so that family comes out at plus $604k.
This is why we have tax brackets, otherwise it is "regressive." That's also the reason sales taxes on groceries are a problem, they disproportionately affect people in poverty. It makes it impossible for anyone to crawl out.
It also goes to the disparity in mentality surrounding indigent people. For someone without money, the only purpose is to spend it. If it isn't spent it will be taken. A simple slogan that very much applies is:
For the poor: money is for spending. For the middle class: money is for saving. For the wealthy: money is for status.
Trying to apply one mentality to the other doesn't make sense then either, because people's perception of money is tied to the socio-economic status they grew up in.
As seems appropriate given yesterday's holiday, I'll leave off with a MLK jr. quote that I've been pondering lately: "It’s all right to tell a man to lift himself by his own bootstraps, but it is cruel jest to say to a bootless man that he ought to lift himself by his own bootstraps"
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My sister lives in the Twin Cities. I was talking with her earlier today.
One thing we agreed on is that all of the video, shot by civilian protesters is powerful. It was not a good look to have an elderly Hmong man walked out of his house in his underwear, and blanket. It did not matter at the time he was a naturalized citizen.
It mattered more, seemingly, that he was not caucasian, and had an accent.
I also saw that some Oglala Sioux tribal members were detained. I thought that was kinda rich
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Sustainable. Like most union wage ratesSo, the Union chairman in me says the break should be paid @overtime rates. That's to keep us whole.
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I was specifically referring to "social security" with the term "regressive tax"
Work through what the poor/rich family would pay/receive and you will find it's hard not to conclude that SS is a regressive tax.
As far as how/why I feel like a flat tax would best effective - there are multitude of options for those with wealth to keep it. Our tax code is quite generous if you have the resources to allocate to not getting taxed more. This is why the earlier mentioned tax rates being nominally "higher" didn't result in effectively higher taxes for the wealthy (you could write off INTEREST on a loan in that time). The regressive nature of the tax code has everything to do with write offs and not tax rates.
