grizzly63
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yes, if it ignites ok. Only one way to know. It might not with the percussion cap. Might need a musket nipple and cap?
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I got a new CVA wolf..came with a konus 3-9x32 scope...i got a new centerpoint 6-20x50 scope put up..WOULD THAT CENTERPOINT SCOPE BE OK ON THAT MUZZLELOADER..THANKS
Hardcast loads?
I have an Accura MR-X in .50 cal. Is there any reason not to use a rib-sabot 300gr. WNLFP .452 hardcast gas-check bullet in this rifle? I’m thinking 2 pellets of pyro would get me around 1600 fps. Mags would go a bit faster…
i haven’t done any hardcast loads in a muzzy, just soft lead. But i do have a nice supply of .452 hardcasts on my shelf and was wondering.
I have an Accura MR-X in .50 cal. Is there any reason not to use a rib-sabot 300gr. WNLFP .452 hardcast gas-check bullet in this rifle? I’m thinking 2 pellets of pyro would get me around 1600 fps. Mags would go a bit faster…
i haven’t done any hardcast loads in a muzzy, just soft lead. But i do have a nice supply of .452 hardcasts on my shelf and was wondering.
dan.kirkpatrick
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anybody out there know what happened to lyman?? ive got a couple of great plains muzzleloaders,,i wonder if covid a few years back took them out?
I've been gifted a used CVA Wolf 50 cal. rifle. It appears nearly new or seldom used. There were no manuals no scope and no accessories provided. Not having any knowledge of muzzleloaders, I've done some online searching to learn about what I had and how it works. This rifle was made in 2008. I learned how to access the breech and check to see thru the barrel. No daylight, barrel might be obstructed so I watched a CVA video on how this type of rifle is unloaded. Removing breech plug with 12mm socket, I observed sure enough that this rifle was loaded. One powder pellet, one green plastic bullet skirt/base alone, and one hollow point bullet with its green skirt/base attached. This was a head scratcher for me. Then I thought that maybe the loader put a green skirt in to hold the powder pellet from falling out the muzzle end and then loaded the hollow point some time later? Don't know. What I'd like to know though, is if this setup were to be fired off, what most likely might happen?
It would have gone boom.
grizzly63
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Take a sturdy rod( old shotgun cleaning rod) and put in the muzzle end and drive the Bullet and plastic out the breech if thats possible. You might need a hammer. Then clean it real good and learn how to do it properly. The bullet is probably a common skirted bullet. Do not know why they would have put an additional sabot in there first?
Hey Dave N and Grizzly 63,
Thanks for the replies to my question. When my son-in-law was given this CVA Wolf from an acquaintance of his, it wasn't anything that he was interested in having (He's into more modern firearms). So, he gifts it to me=ole harry. He brings me stuff, old tools and items of disrepair to possibly save. Well, that's what I found after taking time to research how this muzzleloader is assembled, works and how and what to load and Especially how to unload it. Dave, I too thought BOOM, all it needed was a primer, which I don't have and would not have played with if I did have. Grizzly, I did exactly what you suggested. After removing the breech plug and seeing the powder pellet inside, I followed what the CVA load/unload video showed to do. Taking the loading rod that the rifle had and a dead blow hammer, I tapped the items out the breech end and discovered 'what the heck is this'. It's a mystery to me that this muzzleloader thru it's travels being LOADED and improperly LOADED and handled by folks unknowingly assuming safe and unloaded that nothing bad happened. I must admit that it's a unique way to begin learning about this interesting sport/hobby.
Thanks for the replies to my question. When my son-in-law was given this CVA Wolf from an acquaintance of his, it wasn't anything that he was interested in having (He's into more modern firearms). So, he gifts it to me=ole harry. He brings me stuff, old tools and items of disrepair to possibly save. Well, that's what I found after taking time to research how this muzzleloader is assembled, works and how and what to load and Especially how to unload it. Dave, I too thought BOOM, all it needed was a primer, which I don't have and would not have played with if I did have. Grizzly, I did exactly what you suggested. After removing the breech plug and seeing the powder pellet inside, I followed what the CVA load/unload video showed to do. Taking the loading rod that the rifle had and a dead blow hammer, I tapped the items out the breech end and discovered 'what the heck is this'. It's a mystery to me that this muzzleloader thru it's travels being LOADED and improperly LOADED and handled by folks unknowingly assuming safe and unloaded that nothing bad happened. I must admit that it's a unique way to begin learning about this interesting sport/hobby.
grizzly63
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Worst thing about leaving them loaded besides the safety aspect is most powders are highly corrosive. Is the barrel clean or all pitted?
BrentD
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One of the powders that is not highly corrosive is the real thing. It is worth the effort to shoot real powder.
Hello again Grizzly63 and BrentD,
I was patting myself on the back for a safe unload that I didn't think beyond that. Grizzly shook me back awake to inspect and examine breech and barrel. Well the breech plug did show a black stain where the powder pellet rests. I dry wiped it with tissue and the stain came off. No pitting found. Then with strong light and magnifying glass, inspection of the barrel from breech to muzzle, revealed no damage/pitting, just unclean. I'd like to say grit and grime alone the barrel, but I'm not versed in the muzzleloader lingo. Not being equipped with 50 cal. rifle cleaning supplies, I guess cotton rags and cotton balls will work temporary until I can outfit myself. I'm thinking online shopping with Muzzle-loaders.com, but am open to other opinions. Hello BrentD,
may I ask (wanting to learn), does the CVA recommended powder pellet product cause more of the corrosive debris than the real powder does? (loose/granulated) I assume? Is that what real means? Why is that? Thanks to both of you, I be learnin.
I was patting myself on the back for a safe unload that I didn't think beyond that. Grizzly shook me back awake to inspect and examine breech and barrel. Well the breech plug did show a black stain where the powder pellet rests. I dry wiped it with tissue and the stain came off. No pitting found. Then with strong light and magnifying glass, inspection of the barrel from breech to muzzle, revealed no damage/pitting, just unclean. I'd like to say grit and grime alone the barrel, but I'm not versed in the muzzleloader lingo. Not being equipped with 50 cal. rifle cleaning supplies, I guess cotton rags and cotton balls will work temporary until I can outfit myself. I'm thinking online shopping with Muzzle-loaders.com, but am open to other opinions. Hello BrentD,
may I ask (wanting to learn), does the CVA recommended powder pellet product cause more of the corrosive debris than the real powder does? (loose/granulated) I assume? Is that what real means? Why is that? Thanks to both of you, I be learnin.
BrentD
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Trackofthewolf.com is another good source for muzzleloader stuff.
I assume the pellet propellant is compressed Pyrodex. It is the only substitute powder I have ever used and its fouling is incredibly corrossive and difficult to clean out. I have only used it in loose form. Never the pellets.
I think the industry pushes pellets, because they have such a dim view of their customers' capabilities to work up a load or even understand what they're doing with a muzzleloader. I don't know why that is, but it has always has seemed to me, that was the case.
The reason that pyrodex exists at all is because it has a different explosive rating than real black powder. Thus, it is less regulated and easier ship to stores and stock and sell. Black powder requires an approved powder magazine for explosives among other things. Also, pyrodex, for some reason, championed their powder as nonfouling and non corrosive, which is just a flat out lie. But the world fell for it, including me.
I assume the pellet propellant is compressed Pyrodex. It is the only substitute powder I have ever used and its fouling is incredibly corrossive and difficult to clean out. I have only used it in loose form. Never the pellets.
I think the industry pushes pellets, because they have such a dim view of their customers' capabilities to work up a load or even understand what they're doing with a muzzleloader. I don't know why that is, but it has always has seemed to me, that was the case.
The reason that pyrodex exists at all is because it has a different explosive rating than real black powder. Thus, it is less regulated and easier ship to stores and stock and sell. Black powder requires an approved powder magazine for explosives among other things. Also, pyrodex, for some reason, championed their powder as nonfouling and non corrosive, which is just a flat out lie. But the world fell for it, including me.
Hello BrentD,
I'll take a look at Trackofthewolf.com website and view their products and compare possible value options. Thanks for speaking to pyrodex and real black powder. I'll go to school researching and learning about both: pros and cons, proper application and understanding measurement and items used. Also, whats involved with purchase, storage and safekeeping. Appreciate the post, Cheers.
I'll take a look at Trackofthewolf.com website and view their products and compare possible value options. Thanks for speaking to pyrodex and real black powder. I'll go to school researching and learning about both: pros and cons, proper application and understanding measurement and items used. Also, whats involved with purchase, storage and safekeeping. Appreciate the post, Cheers.
