Alert! Az Hunters! Alert!

[schmalts]

That is the whole point then. should a non-citizen get a cheaper tag than a nonresident US citizen? i sure as hell don't think so.

 

[guppie9]

That is the whole point then. should a non-citizen get a cheaper tag than a nonresident US citizen? i sure as hell don't think so.

Well, I think that depends on how you look at it.

Let's take my sister-in-law, for example. She is from Germany and married my brother while he was stationed there. She had to go through some paperwork, etc and is a permanent resident alien. She has been living in Arizona for 10+ years legally. Now, granted, she speaks English very well, but even if she didn't, should we charge her more for an Arizona permit/license. I don't think that would be fair. She is here legally and most definately a resident of Arizona. The people CJ is talking about are illegal aliens. They should definately NOT get residency priveleges as they are not here legally.

All that aside, I will say again, I really, really have my doubts that there is a significant problem with illegal aliens obtaining hunting/fishing priveleges in Arizona. (Just my opinion)

 

[Washington Hunter]

All that aside, I will say again, I really, really have my doubts that there is a significant problem with illegal aliens obtaining hunting/fishing priveleges in Arizona. (Just my opinion)

I'd say you're probably right...that it's not a significant problem, but even 1 tag sold to an illegal alien at resident prices is 1 too many.

 

[1_pointer]

I think there's another side to look at. If the problem of illegals (or even legal Spanish only speakers) hunting/fishing is 1/2 as extensive as some imply, then wouldn't it behoove the state of AZ to print regs in Spanish to ensure that the know them? How can they manage if 500,000 folks just hunt and fish as they see fit?

 

[guppie9]

I'd say you're probably right...that it's not a significant problem, but even 1 tag sold to an illegal alien at resident prices is 1 too many.

And do you think printing the regs in Spanish is going to increase that number or have no effect? I think it is not going to have any effect. Like I said, my problem is if you are going to print them in Spanish, you also have to print them in Russian, Portuguese, Mandarin Chinese, etc.

Look, there are so many other issues about illegal aliens that need to be addressed before everyone starts panicking about not drawing a Kaibab tag because Juan and Pablo crossed the border. Let's take care of the violent crimes, property crimes, drug smuggling, habitat destruction, and overall drain on social services. Once we have solved those billion dollar problems than you will have my support for curbing the rampant illegal alien hunters. Until then, it sounds like petty BS and detracts from those other, legitimate concerns.

I am with CJ and all the Arizona guys when it comes to most border issues. I lived in Arizona for 24 years and know what it is like. My family still lives in the valley and I hear about it all the time. I know it is not paranoia. But, and I said this a few months back, many times, some of these posts are so outlandish that people don't take them seriously.

I look at Moosie's (and others) replies and it shows me that by bombarding people with all of this negative emotion it is driving those that are "on the fence" (no pun intended) to the other side, so to speak. I'd like to think that the majority of the people on this board are reasonable, intelligent thinkers. Granted, I have my doubts about a few!! If you would present the facts without all the extraneous "the sky is falling" hyperbole, I think you would see better results.

Just my 2 cents...I now relinquish my soapbox.....flame away.

 

[Washington Hunter]

guppie9, I agree...there are much more important problems than this. This is just one of many and it should be at the bottom of the list.

 

[cjcj]

This is a sportsmans issue.... and Guppie I strongly Disagree with you ... this is just going to increase the "problem" that i have seen happen on at least 4 occassions and i`m just one guy... I have friends in G&F and everyone at the top of the Dept. is running scared of the current governor [ remember the lion hunt?]

But regardless, yes there are more important issues concerning illegals......but the absolute fact that they are treated the same as "resident citizens" when they apply for licences and tags is absurd.....Buzz wants statistics ... where there are none... I don`t claim numbers because if the G&F doesn`t know .. how can anyone else?

3 years ago I told anyone who would listen that their regs would soon be in Spanish... the reaction.. CJ your full of shit... it will NEVER happen... your paraniod etc,etc.


So it really doesn`t matter it is what it is
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Only a total fool would think that illegals don`t get Az licences to hunt and fish at "resident prices"

 

[guppie9]

This is a sportsmans issue....

Which is why I assume you posted this in SI!!!

and Guppie I strongly Disagree with you ... this is just going to increase the "problem" that i have seen happen on at least 4 occassions and i`m just one guy...

So it sounds to me as if you DO have some proof. I would like to hear those stories (and I am being serious) If you have personal knowledge of illegal aliens obtaining licenses/permits, I think you should post it, as it may help your argument.

I do think we will have to agree to disagree. While I haven't lived in Arizona for almost 10 years now, I never had a problem with this going on. I know that things have gotten much worse over that time, but I personally, have a hard time thinking that this is something that is real prevalent. Obviously, I could be wrong, so if you have some stories to share, please do so.

Only a total fool would think that illegals don`t get Az licences to hunt and fish at "resident prices"

Hopefully, this wasn't directed at me, as I am most definately not a fool. I never denied that it was happening, just that it was pretty low on the totem pole of illegal problems.

One thing I am confused about is this statement:

printing regulations and "how to apply" information[ on a massive scale] in Spanish "enables" them to further cheat the system. [in AZ]

I don`t have a problem with anyone from a foriegn country getting information in "any" language as long as they apply as a NON-RESIDENT and follow the law.

So, are you against printing the regs in Spanish or are you only against illegals applying as residents? You say that you don't have a problem with printing regs in other languages, but in the previous sentence you say that printing the regs in Spanish enables illegals to cheat.

Like I said, cj, I am with you on most border issues, but it is contradictory statements like those that confuse people and make them think that your motives might not be so pure. Once again, just a little advice from someone who thinks that your intentions are pure.

 

[cjcj]

Guppie , No I`m not calling you a fool.

Low on the totem pole for you ... but not for a 52 yr. resident like me who has a hardertime then ever at getting a tag.[ none this year]

Yes I have "true" stories... but I don`t have the time right now....later

Just think about it.... who does printing regs in spanish help? Both legal and illegalhump

There is no confusion... 1st and formost illegals should not be in this country... but given that we [U.S. government] allows it on a certain level... then yes if they illegals apply for tags and licence then they should have to do it as a Non-Resident and pay those fee`s hump

But is anyone on this board [ Buzz/Jose?] going to claim that the massive printing in spanish at every Wallmart/Kmart/ Sportsmans / Cabela`s etc,etc, is only helping legal american citizens? and not just another tool to help illegals get more of our benefits?

everyone just sit back press #1 for english.. it will only get worse.

 

[cjcj]

Do you believe it should be unlawful for state governments to provide taxpayer-funded social and educational benefits to illegal aliens?

Yes 86%

No 14%

Lou Dobbs poll [CNN]

 

[JoseCuervo]

CJ,
Many of the racist haters also think a public education to any kid should not be a responsibility of the goverment. Please don't assume Lou Dobbs' polls show anything of statistical significance.

 

[Calif. Hunter]

All anyone here has to do is check the box that says "I have lived in California continuously for at least the last six months." Then pay the fee and get your resident license, if you have your Hunter Safety Cert (which also does not require proof of immigration status) or a previous license for Hunter Safety exemption.

What is required in your state?

 

[cjcj]

Thanks Cali for the info.... This problem may be even more serious than I thought!..hump :BLEEP:

Lets see what other state are doing.

final poll results:

Do you believe it should be unlawful for state governments to provide taxpayer-funded social and educational benefits to illegal aliens?

Yes 93% 8215 votes

No 7% 585 votes
Total: 8800 votes

Jose why would you call someone a "racist hater" just because they want the law enforced? |oo

 

[Moosie]

If you would present the facts without all the extraneous "the sky is falling" hyperbole, I think you would see better results.

Well stated Guppie, Way over mosts peoples heads.

ALL I have to Ask is, do you really think that an "ILLEGAL ALIEN" would waste time buying a Tag ? Applying ? or paying a fee ? If you think law breakers are applying for a Limited Entry tag you guys are dumber then you look when you post Really, think about it..... And remember, jsut becasue someone is Dark colored skin and drew a tag doesn't mean they are illegal. I know thats hard to understand, but it's true.

I think it's funny how even Guppie, Who is Obviously against illegal imigration makes some rational posts. Other Off winged posters can't

Now cjcj, you know I like you but you're a liar... You said :

Yes I have "true" stories... but I don`t have the time right now....later

and have made 3 posts since then. How long does it take to post a quick story or 2 ? You have the time, you're just not posting the story.

I'll post one for ya, I was in getting my deer meat from the butchers and the F&G came in and brought in 4 deer, one had been gutted and the others not. a truck load of Mexicans were out poaching deer. A joke was made about how they get hungry crossing the Desert, but it was jsut that, poached deer. Would spanish regulations have helped ? Ahhh .... tough to say. But they wanted deer meat and Went out and Killed some deer. Tags weren't bought nor draws put in for.

And what does "state governments to provide taxpayer-funded social and educational benefits to illegal aliens? " have to do with hunting regs in Spanish ?Thats what Guppies talking about..... Simmer down son

Schmalts, Having to speak English to be a Resident ? The answer is 100% no. Not at all. Switzerland has WAYYYY stricter rules on coming into their country and they have 4 languages there. My moms swiss and wasn't requiered to know English when she married my dad. Does it help ? YAH Probably, Unless you speak Spanish, then you can go to alot of places were people speak it around here.......

 

[guppie9]

Jose why would you call someone a "racist hater" just because they want the law enforced? |oo

Because he likes f-ing with you!

 

[Moosie]

Technically he never called cjcj a racist hater or anyone in this thread one. It was a Blanket statement that some took to heart.... Not at all did he.

Jose does like me in some posts and Posts something magnetic and when someones a piece of metal it sticks. Ouch !!!!

 

[cjcj]

FCK You Moosie "I NEVER LIE"... I have posted "ALL" of the facts....Illegals qualify for residency after 6 months what more facts do you need?

Here is something I wittnessed , while in wallmart just before this summers draw....

5 illegals applying for BiG Game Tags all using the SAME Social Security Number as their hunter I.D.... ALL 5 had RESIDENT AZ hunting licences....[ clerk was my daughters friend ] these are long stories but i will shorten it. for the Brain Dead.. hump

Another incident that happened less then 2 miles from my house... 3 illegals were caught with gill nets harvesting over 200 lbs of fish from the roosevelt canal ,... one actualy had an AZ fishing licence... G& Fish caught them, confiscated the nets, wrote citations and let them go...

Like a fly coming back to a shit pile... i will post when I can... right now I am trying to help some real men get re-elected. but the thread was about helping Len Munsil [for Governor] his chances are next to none,

I don`t think Guppie has a real understanding of the residency issue...I did my best to make it clear [with the facts]

Now I`m sure the Brain dead want to know how I know they were illegal...in the wallmart case [ do you really need an explanation?]

The ones fishing.. the Game warden ..who I happen to know told me they were..

If anyone thinks I`m a "liar" then you can kiss my ass.

I`m working on some political stuff ... so I don`t have the time for Idiots like you Moosie

But i have more "facts" if needed....this is stuff I have personnel knowledge of.hump

 

[schmalts]

I believe you. And yes, Just call Jose a ****wad or a homo ar something because he really only does this shit to stir the pot. Moosie isnt far from that either.

 

[Moosie]

cjcj, I didn't say you didn't post he Facts.. I said you lied because you said you didn't have time. You did, that part was a Lie.

Like in most of your and Schamlt's posts, you Amigos don't read. MAybe I should post this is Spanish

 

[guppie9]

I don`t think Guppie has a real understanding of the residency issue...I did my best to make it clear [with the facts]

Perdone, pero entiendo los requisitos de la residencia y yo pienso que ellos chupan. Pero Gracias para explicarlos de todos modos. ¿Yo me pregunto quién podrá leer esto?