Gellar
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Were you neighborly and help them trim their bushes when they asked?
When SHTF
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Actually never stepped foot into the place. Tahoe was a target rich environment and not far away. long time ago in my 20's. mtmuley
Redmt
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50+ years ago I drove for an outfit based in Winnemucca. If you got stuck waiting for a load they would buy you dinner and a beer at one of the establishments in the Circle. I never played touchy feely but hanging out at the bar was really fun and entertaining. The old gal that ran the place was always good for a couple jokes.
Interesting thoughts about SHTF. Friends and I discuss it regularly. We are all well armed but that won't matter as much as food water and shelter. Living in CA, theres 40 million people...
Most of them will never make it out of the city if there is a complete breakdown of society - worst case scenario. After 30 days the population would be down 50%, 2-3 months 75%. Roads will be jammed, people will use bridges as choke points or as mentioned earlier some will take them out. So most won't make it out of the city imo. Those who do are in for a rude awakening when they meet the hill people. Surviving without shelter would be impossible for most long term above 3000' here. Game animals would be gone in a month unless protected by local people.
Im past the hill people, in the mtns where theres plenty of resources for those wise enough to see it. Leafy green dandelions, acorns, small and large game, while they last. Then gardening and fish would be the other lifeline. None would be easy. Hardest thing is procuring food and water while fending off the less prepared and those with bad intentions.
If the apocalypse is nuclear the issues get even worse as food and water will be contaminated. Without prior stored food and water, no one would survive long.
Biggest lesson is this - are you prepping for yourself or someone else? If its nuclear, better have a bunker with water, food, and clean air for up to 25 years ready to go. Pretty much what the billionaires and corrupt gov officials with their "continuity" plans have set up with the people's stolen money.
Most of them will never make it out of the city if there is a complete breakdown of society - worst case scenario. After 30 days the population would be down 50%, 2-3 months 75%. Roads will be jammed, people will use bridges as choke points or as mentioned earlier some will take them out. So most won't make it out of the city imo. Those who do are in for a rude awakening when they meet the hill people. Surviving without shelter would be impossible for most long term above 3000' here. Game animals would be gone in a month unless protected by local people.
Im past the hill people, in the mtns where theres plenty of resources for those wise enough to see it. Leafy green dandelions, acorns, small and large game, while they last. Then gardening and fish would be the other lifeline. None would be easy. Hardest thing is procuring food and water while fending off the less prepared and those with bad intentions.
If the apocalypse is nuclear the issues get even worse as food and water will be contaminated. Without prior stored food and water, no one would survive long.
Biggest lesson is this - are you prepping for yourself or someone else? If its nuclear, better have a bunker with water, food, and clean air for up to 25 years ready to go. Pretty much what the billionaires and corrupt gov officials with their "continuity" plans have set up with the people's stolen money.
Irrelevant
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I feel like most of you have never been to a densely populated 3rd world country. Humans are sooo much more resilient and adaptable than you give us/them credit for.
The book any good? I watched the movie a long time ago. Long enough ago I forgot most of the details. Thought I'd give the book a try this time around.
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noharleyyet
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Yes, McCarthy's writing should be experienced manually.
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Long term loss of grid power, societal/financial collapse, and nuclear war seem more likely these days than they have previously to me. Can take some less than huge steps to prepare for the first couple, the hell if i'd waste time preparing for nuclear war.
People lose access to power everywhere for an extended period of time, things could get ugly real quick.
I've done not a damned thing to prepare for any of it. Should get some of the big tubs of water and more non-perishable food though.. Ammo is not a concern.
People lose access to power everywhere for an extended period of time, things could get ugly real quick.
I've done not a damned thing to prepare for any of it. Should get some of the big tubs of water and more non-perishable food though.. Ammo is not a concern.
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deer_shooter
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I'm not a prepper per se, but living in a very rural area, one tends to be self-sufficient. About a year and a half ago a tornado came uncomfortably close to my home (about 800 yards) that knocked power out for 3 or 4 days. Unfortunately, that happens too frequently anymore so I have a generator for the house plus a 2200-watt portable genny and a 2500-watt Jackery. With those I can run the entire house, minus heat pump, for quite a while. I try to keep around 30 gallons of gas on hand too. We have a tote in the basement for when the power goes out with, flashlights, batteries, a Coleman lantern, 1lb propane bottles, camp stove, etc. so cooking is no issue. I have a couple options for water filtration but have a natural spring on my property.
After the shortages over the last several years of reloading components, 22 shells, etc. I've accumulated a stockpile that will last a while.
I don't believe we will ever see a ground invasion or even nuclear war, although the latter is not a certainty. I could see select drone strikes or even radicalized cells rising up. It's much more likely that a coordinated attack on our financial center and several large-scale domestic terrorism events would cause massive and lasting chaos. In that scenario, any major city would we a complete mess.
After the shortages over the last several years of reloading components, 22 shells, etc. I've accumulated a stockpile that will last a while.
I don't believe we will ever see a ground invasion or even nuclear war, although the latter is not a certainty. I could see select drone strikes or even radicalized cells rising up. It's much more likely that a coordinated attack on our financial center and several large-scale domestic terrorism events would cause massive and lasting chaos. In that scenario, any major city would we a complete mess.
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Top SHTF Scenarios by Likelihood
We deal with #2 (floods, wildfires) yearly on the CA coast. Power outage (#3) comes with it. Usually less than a week. So we practice that...
#4 is becoming more of a reality. Problem is though that increased Ethanol concentration in Gasoline leads to shelf life issues, So treat it or buy canned gas. I did upsize my home propane tank so I would have 6 months supply (more for taking advantage of seasonal price fluctuations...) Might look into getting a fill spout for 20 pounders.
The sexy scenario is #5 that everyone wants to "PREP" for. This is where a connected community is most valuable. If you want to be a prepper, then be a part of your local Volunteer fire department or Search and Rescue. Maintaining communication, and cooperative actions during an emergency is going to be a hallmark of communities that survive. Case in point: https://www.pressdemocrat.com/2020/...ired-up-the-dozers-during-the-walbridge-fire/
#6 prepare by having a skill or life necessities to barter. "A country boy can survive"
#7...This sounds familiar.
- 1. Personal/Financial Emergency: Job loss, unexpected high medical bills, or illness are the most likely scenarios.
- 2. Localized Natural Disasters: Tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, wildfires, or blizzards (depending on your region).
- 3. Power Grid Failure: Short-to-medium term blackouts due to storms, cyberattacks, or infrastructure fragility.
- 4. Supply Chain Disruption/Shortages: Localized shortages of food, fuel, or water.
- 5. Civil Unrest: Riots, looting, or localized violence, particularly following another event.
- 6. Economic Collapse/Hyperinflation: A rapid devaluation of currency or severe economic downturn.
- 7. Pandemic/Health Crisis: Widespread, severe health emergencies
We deal with #2 (floods, wildfires) yearly on the CA coast. Power outage (#3) comes with it. Usually less than a week. So we practice that...
#4 is becoming more of a reality. Problem is though that increased Ethanol concentration in Gasoline leads to shelf life issues, So treat it or buy canned gas. I did upsize my home propane tank so I would have 6 months supply (more for taking advantage of seasonal price fluctuations...) Might look into getting a fill spout for 20 pounders.
The sexy scenario is #5 that everyone wants to "PREP" for. This is where a connected community is most valuable. If you want to be a prepper, then be a part of your local Volunteer fire department or Search and Rescue. Maintaining communication, and cooperative actions during an emergency is going to be a hallmark of communities that survive. Case in point: https://www.pressdemocrat.com/2020/...ired-up-the-dozers-during-the-walbridge-fire/
#6 prepare by having a skill or life necessities to barter. "A country boy can survive"
#7...This sounds familiar.
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5 pages and no one has mentioned Red Dawn yet….I’m surprised…or did I miss it…lol
Straight Arrow
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AMAZONS! "Take me to your ladder ... I'll meet your leader later!"
. 8. computer glitch: Where a slight oversight in the design of a computers clock will, at the stroke of midnight, erase millions of years of evolutionary advancement and hundreds of thousands of years of generational knowledge. Everyone who hasn't stashed away 25 years worth of freeze-dried food in five-gallon buckets and enough guns and ammo to protect said freeze dried food from the starving marauders who didn't prepare, will surely parish.
pabearhunter
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Don't forget the water and or beer!
OleRedbeard
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In another life. A long time ago when I was still naive enough to think I could do something that made a difference in the world I spent a lot of time in a lot of very poor countries. Places where if you had a handful of rice every few days you were doing better than your neighbor. Protein was something very rarely obtained and starving to death or dying of things you read about in an old western or a Ruark novel was the norm. Most available water as a rule would give you the absolute worse gut wrenching poop through a screen door instantaneous dehydration evoking bedridden delirium you can fathom. Water that either straight up put you in the dirt, or left you crapping creepy crawlers was the norm.
After coming home for good and chewing on it all for awhile, I figured out just how spoiled we are as a population. On demand clean water. Food beyond comprehension and medical care pretty much at our fingertips. Everything we call normal hangs on a proverbial thread. Everything we call normal as a country is make believe compared to the rest of the world for the most part and its all no more than one little thing from being turned upside down.
Cue the forecast for anything off key and watch the shelves go bare of common stuff in the span of a day or so at most. One bad snowstorm and people lose their minds. Talk of gas jumping and you see the pumps run dry....
My dad and grandfather and my great grandfather before they all passed used to talk about how things used to be when all the bigger critters were still extirpated. How anything from a possum to a song bird got put in a pot because outside of butchering a hog or a few rabbits or squirrels or a coon and the occasional fish, you ate corn and beans that was if you were lucky. They all knew what would kill you and what would heal you in the woods what to pick that was edible and how to grow a garden and they still stayed on the brink of starvation. That was with the whole extended family working together to get enough stuff to eat to last through the winter and into the early summer/late spring before things started sprouting again.
To think about the sheer die off of tens to hundreds of millions in the first 6 months from lack of basics and then the subsequent residual die off of those afterword who are scrounging around for whatever they can find puts everything in a dark perspective. Then when the dying kind of levels off you have the ones who have made it up to that point willing to do whatever it takes to put food in their mouth or to take what you have. Its a lot to take in.
I live in the middle of nowhere. Grow about everything I can and raise my own critters, hunt, fish, can, dehydrate and preserve everything possible that we enjoy eating but, I know that without of a shadow of a doubt there are enough people around that have happened by or will happen by who will see the gardens or the livestock and it would go bye bye in short order without some type of offset perimeter defense and even then its questionable. It would really suck to be hoeing your beans and get gut shot by a 6.5 Creedmore.
I used to think about that stuff a lot. How if a man could make it through the first year of something that bad he might have a chance with the right amount of luck. If he had the right individuals who worked together. The right location to both defend grow and raise what they needed. You could make a go of it but man it would not be a lot of fun. Thats all excluding some type of outside force coming in. At that point... I think we all saw how easily many people turned on one another for the mask crap and all it entailed during the Covid stuff. Imagine how bad it would be if they had people pointing guns at them or threatening them.
that was much longer winded than I intended but in closing.... if it did happen. I will agree with a few of you above and probably get a few rolls of Copenhagen long cut and pick up dipping again.
After coming home for good and chewing on it all for awhile, I figured out just how spoiled we are as a population. On demand clean water. Food beyond comprehension and medical care pretty much at our fingertips. Everything we call normal hangs on a proverbial thread. Everything we call normal as a country is make believe compared to the rest of the world for the most part and its all no more than one little thing from being turned upside down.
Cue the forecast for anything off key and watch the shelves go bare of common stuff in the span of a day or so at most. One bad snowstorm and people lose their minds. Talk of gas jumping and you see the pumps run dry....
My dad and grandfather and my great grandfather before they all passed used to talk about how things used to be when all the bigger critters were still extirpated. How anything from a possum to a song bird got put in a pot because outside of butchering a hog or a few rabbits or squirrels or a coon and the occasional fish, you ate corn and beans that was if you were lucky. They all knew what would kill you and what would heal you in the woods what to pick that was edible and how to grow a garden and they still stayed on the brink of starvation. That was with the whole extended family working together to get enough stuff to eat to last through the winter and into the early summer/late spring before things started sprouting again.
To think about the sheer die off of tens to hundreds of millions in the first 6 months from lack of basics and then the subsequent residual die off of those afterword who are scrounging around for whatever they can find puts everything in a dark perspective. Then when the dying kind of levels off you have the ones who have made it up to that point willing to do whatever it takes to put food in their mouth or to take what you have. Its a lot to take in.
I live in the middle of nowhere. Grow about everything I can and raise my own critters, hunt, fish, can, dehydrate and preserve everything possible that we enjoy eating but, I know that without of a shadow of a doubt there are enough people around that have happened by or will happen by who will see the gardens or the livestock and it would go bye bye in short order without some type of offset perimeter defense and even then its questionable. It would really suck to be hoeing your beans and get gut shot by a 6.5 Creedmore.
I used to think about that stuff a lot. How if a man could make it through the first year of something that bad he might have a chance with the right amount of luck. If he had the right individuals who worked together. The right location to both defend grow and raise what they needed. You could make a go of it but man it would not be a lot of fun. Thats all excluding some type of outside force coming in. At that point... I think we all saw how easily many people turned on one another for the mask crap and all it entailed during the Covid stuff. Imagine how bad it would be if they had people pointing guns at them or threatening them.
that was much longer winded than I intended but in closing.... if it did happen. I will agree with a few of you above and probably get a few rolls of Copenhagen long cut and pick up dipping again.
