What 100 year old cartridges do you use

[grizzly63]

I just added 2 -45Long Colts and no, I do not care what you call them. They are fun to shoot.

 

[MS 9x56]

I've got a good recipe for 160 grn partitions that has treated me very well in the past I'm probably going to start there.

Can never go wrong using Nosler partitions.

 

[Laelkhunter]

The 100 year old cartridges that I use now:

.22 lr
.270 Win
30/06
.380 acp
9mm Luger
.45 acp
.410 bore
12 gauge

 

[Simeod]

30-40krag
30-30
30-06
45LC
45ACP
22lr
.303

Some of the rifles that beet 100.
M1892
M1903
Mk1 Mod III

 

[Hook]

Currently in the safes:

22LR
32 Colt
38 Spc
9X19
45 ACP
12 ga
6.5X55
6.5X54
7X57
8X57
9X57
30.06
30-40
45-70
300 Sav

There have been quite a few others that have gone down the road like the 30-30, 303, 7.62 Russian, etc. It really didn't occur to me until this little exercise, but I only have four rifles left that use cartridges newer than 100 years. I wonder what that says about me....

 

[jonny898]

I still lean heavily on the 6.5x55 Swede for most of my deer hunting. It’s hard to beat that low recoil and sectional density even after a century. I mostly stopped using my newer magnums because they just weren't necessary for the distances I shoot.

 

[Bryan Austin]

44 W.C.F.
What do I do with it? Everything!

100 Yards
30 consecutive shots inside 4"
1,350fps, 11,500psi
950fps impact velocity at 300 yards
7 degree impact angle at 300 yards on lever terrain


300 yards


Hunting Link
Target Link
The Doc Pardee Club Link
Website Link - Chasing The 44-40

 

[Carl 9.3x62]

44 W.C.F.
What do I do with it? Everything!

100 Yards
30 consecutive shots inside 4"
1,350fps, 11,500psi
950fps impact velocity at 300 yards
7 degree impact angle at 300 yards on lever terrain
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300 yards
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Hunting Link
Target Link
The Doc Pardee Club Link
Website Link - Chasing The 44-40

How old is that scope?

 

[MS 9x56]

30-06, 7x57,8x57,250-3000 savage, 9.3x62, 22 long rifle, 300 savage,9x56 MS. The only caliber rifle I have that’s less than 100 is a savage 99 in 308.

 

[Mustangs Rule]

Can never go wrong using Nosler partitions.

I was never so happy to stop using a bullet in my life as I was with Paritions.
I mean using a bullet that was designed to fall apart, losing 15% to 35% on impact.

This was the last lead core bullet I used before going to Barnes all copper.

I shot a big tough wild boar with it and it fell to pieces,

Reminded me of a song by Patsy Cline, "I fall to Pieces".

Barnes bullets required a learning curve, no question about, and they did spend a lot of R & D time working out the bugs, but when they did, "WOW" using their bullets was like having Bruce Lee coming out of your barrel, a lean mean fighting machine.

Partitions came to represent the no longer of value past, old, slow overweight, and falling apart.

Merging high tech Barnes bullets in old rifles was such an efficient step up for old calibers. It put the testosterone back in them.

Partitions belong in a rocking chair, still needing a blanket on them even in front of the fire. Old, cold, not bold.

 

[MS 9x56]

I am glad you are happy with the Barnes bullets. You do realize the partition was designed to lose weight in the frontal portion to create a wider wound channel right? The copper bullets do come with a caveat, in that you must use a lighter bullet in order to get the speed required for them to open properly. Six of one half dozen of the other. You spends your money and live with the results. Partitions have never let this old fudd and his older rifles and calibers down yet. Use what works for you, but don’t trash things that work.

 

[Jack Ryan]

30-06, 45-70,45acp, 38special, 22 S L LR, 44spl, 44 mag, 9x19, 380, 12 gauge, 45 Hawken, 50 cal, 45 Bp, 44BP, 36 BP, hawken, 410, 20 gauge.

You won't get arguements from me over any of this. If some one else said it was and i GOT ONE, i PUT IT ON THERE.

 

[Mustangs Rule]

I am glad you are happy with the Barnes bullets. You do realize the partition was designed to lose weight in the frontal portion to create a wider wound channel right? The copper bullets do come with a caveat, in that you must use a lighter bullet in order to get the speed required for them to open properly. Six of one half dozen of the other. You spends your money and live with the results. Partitions have never let this old fudd and his older rifles and calibers down yet. Use what works for you, but don’t trash things that work.

What you are saying regarding Barnes bullets and poor bullet expansion is old history.

For example, Barnes makes a 30 cal. 165 Grain BTTSX that is designed for magnum velocities.

Then they also make a 168 grain 30 cal BTTSX that is made to expand perfectly at 308 and 30-06 slower velocities, so they expand well even at MUCH longer ranges. They have done this with the 180 grain 30. cals too.

Barnes has had the expansion issue dialed for decades and they are clean not toxic. You can shoot a big game animal in the back country and not worry about a golden or bald eagle, our national symbol, dying from lead poisoning.

Next, there is no question about what follows. The elements Tin and Tungsten are always used in the lead for all bullets and shot. These elements are never found in the lead that is in paint or once was in gasolene and is naturally found in the earth. The test for tin and tungsten is so simple, and 100% positive. Over and over the lead particles killing scavenging wildlife tests positive for Tin and Tungsten. The poisoning to both birds and mammals scavenging on gut piles of big animals shot with lead bullets is extraordinary.
Every year shooters/hunters spray 60,000 metric tons of lead over America, Most is left in shooting ranges, but that still leaves tens of thousands of tons left in the field, every year.

 

[BAKPAKR]

22 LR, 30-30 Win, 8mm Mauser, and 45-70.

Edit - and 270 Win.

22
270 win
30-30
35 whelen
44-40
45LC

I forgot 45LC on my list. I got a doe with a Winchester 94 in that chambering. I hunted with a 44-40 one year as a kid but never shot anything with it. My dad ended up trading it off.

 

[Mustangs Rule]

I am glad you are happy with the Barnes bullets. You do realize the partition was designed to lose weight in the frontal portion to create a wider wound channel right? The copper bullets do come with a caveat, in that you must use a lighter bullet in order to get the speed required for them to open properly. Six of one half dozen of the other. You spends your money and live with the results. Partitions have never let this old fudd and his older rifles and calibers down yet. Use what works for you, but don’t trash things that work.

Africa has lost 80% to 87% of it’s scavenging birds. The major causes they are dying from is lead left behind in gut piles of big game animals shot with lead bullets (always tests positive for Tin and Tungsten) and from scavenging on predators who have been intentionally poisoned.

These scavengers are the bacterial and viral cleanup crews. Their bodies destroy pathogens that cause so many diseases.

Since their numbers have been so decimated here are the diseases, that were once beaten or really reduced which are returning big time.

Rabies, Anthrax, Leptosporosis, Bubonic Plague and Tuberculosis.

I have two new knees; I can hike deep and steep again but my pushing 79 years old there are limits to my hunting.

So, my having all the time in the world now, I scout a LOT. There are some younger men, elk hunters, who are working, raising families and so busy. I share all my scouting info with them but only if they are using lead free ammo.

Of course they send elk steaks my way.

 

[RealMuddyboots]

So in 1948 there were approximately 417 nesting pairs of bald eagles. Today? Approximately 71,400 nesting pairs. Their population is on a continuous rise. Bald eagles are now not listed as endangered. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service removed the bald eagle from the federal endangered and threatened species list on June 28, 2007, after the population rebounded. This is well documented data.

The condor is a unique situation. Yes, they have elevated lead but now it appears lead is also being introduced at high velocity. Necropsy showing birds are being shot with lead pellets.

Someone has to explain why gold eagles in AK also have same problem. WTH drives someone to shoot these majestic birds?

While we are at it, brake debris and belted tire debris are enormous contributors of heavy metals to the environment. This impact is part of the heavy metal uptake in food chain. Zinc, once considered a relatively safe brake component, became difficult to achieve non lead purity primarily due to recycling of zinc products containing lead. The food chain accumulates everything and obvious contribution to subsequent predator accumulation from prey animals.

Micro plastics raising its ugly head as well.

Lead still problem in solder whether electrical or plumbing. Historical use still problematic. Electronic products containing heavy metals disposed in non secure landfills is problem.

Very interesting and complex problem.

 

[Ben Lamb]

450/400 2 3/8"s BPE
450 3.25" BPE
5770/500 No.2 BPE
40/90 Sharps Straight
32-40 WCF
33 WCF
8mm Mauser
8x57j
8x57R
9.3x74R
35 Whelen
30-06
9mm Luger
45 ACP
45 Colt
22 s,l,lr
44 Special
38 Special

12 gauge
16 gauge

 

[Mustangs Rule]

So in 1948 there were approximately 417 nesting pairs of bald eagles. Today? Approximately 71,400 nesting pairs. Their population is on a continuous rise. Bald eagles are now not listed as endangered. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service removed the bald eagle from the federal endangered and threatened species list on June 28, 2007, after the population rebounded. This is well documented data.

The condor is a unique situation. Yes, they have elevated lead but now it appears lead is also being introduced at high velocity. Necropsy showing birds are being shot with lead pellets.

Someone has to explain why gold eagles in AK also have same problem. WTH drives someone to shoot these majestic birds?

While we are at it, brake debris and belted tire debris are enormous contributors of heavy metals to the environment. This impact is part of the heavy metal uptake in food chain. Zinc, once considered a relatively safe brake component, became difficult to achieve non lead purity primarily due to recycling of zinc products containing lead. The food chain accumulates everything and obvious contribution to subsequent predator accumulation from prey animals.

Micro plastics raising its ugly head as well.

Lead still problem in solder whether electrical or plumbing. Historical use still problematic. Electronic products containing heavy metals disposed in non secure landfills is problem.

Very interesting and complex problem.
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The bald eagles came back because we banned DDT.

I can think of few ways for a wild animal to die, that is worse than slowly being poisoned by lead.

It happens to all critters that scavenge on lead fragment filled gutpiles.

Many of your remarks I will file under "What-aboutism", Nikita Krueschev invented it. When asked about some insult to humanity thy were doing he would answer back with "what about this and what about that"

Is just a way of avoiding personal responsibility.

The heavy metal industries have committed and continue to commit some of the most atrocious environment crimes against nature and people, usually poor people.

When hunters choose to turn their backs on this obvious big picture and participate with their own version of spreading a toxic metal around, and even feeding it to their families, they have become part of that

We owe our wild lands and wildlife so much more.

 

[MS 9x56]

What you are saying regarding Barnes bullets and poor bullet expansion is old history.

For example, Barnes makes a 30 cal. 165 Grain BTTSX that is designed for magnum velocities.

Then they also make a 168 grain 30 cal BTTSX that is made to expand perfectly at 308 and 30-06 slower velocities, so they expand well even at MUCH longer ranges. They have done this with the 180 grain 30. cals too.

Barnes has had the expansion issue dialed for decades and they are clean not toxic. You can shoot a big game animal in the back country and not worry about a golden or bald eagle, our national symbol, dying from lead poisoning.

Next, there is no question about what follows. The elements Tin and Tungsten are always used in the lead for all bullets and shot. These elements are never found in the lead that is in paint or once was in gasolene and is naturally found in the earth. The test for tin and tungsten is so simple, and 100% positive. Over and over the lead particles killing scavenging wildlife tests positive for Tin and Tungsten. The poisoning to both birds and mammals scavenging on gut piles of big animals shot with lead bullets is extraordinary.
Every year shooters/hunters spray 60,000 metric tons of lead over America, Most is left in shooting ranges, but that still leaves tens of thousands of tons left in the field, every year.

Do you just make up facts to fit your narrative? There are lots of questions concerning your so called facts.