The housing shortage and public lands

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The housing boom.......AGAIN!

The most astronomical lumber prices in decades and builders can't keep up!
0% house loans. They'll buy/build anything!
 
Not simply employees... or the unemployed, NW MT is overrun with snowflake visitors. Don't give a Chit about MT... just how they can get ahead of the next car... simply to be behind the ***next WA, OR, TX, CA, UT, VA, NY plate.

NW MT will turn into THE royal cluster F-k once we allow the *entitled Albertan / Calgarians to run amuck and compound our already over burdened County and adjacent areas.

Dreading seeing the border open... is what it is. NW MT

Shit sandwich along the outskirts of GNP...
flatheadbeacon.com

Off the Grid and Overrun - Flathead Beacon

It’s not quite 9 a.m. and North Fork District Ranger Jim Dahlstrom has heard the names “Bowman” and “Kintla” lakes mispronounced so many times he’s stopped correcting people, turning his attention instead to the more pressing business of parsing visitors — sizing them up and winnowing the...
flatheadbeacon.com
 
Kim McGahey, the voice of reason in summit county voiced concern about the issue in a recent op-Ed.
www.summitdaily.com

Opinion | Kim McGahey: Welcome to Sacramento, Colorado

The United States has undergone significant demographic redistribution over the past decade, which has been accelerated over the past year due to urban flight caused by coronaphobia. The trend has been the depopulation of major...
www.summitdaily.com
 
Sytes said:
Not simply employees... or the unemployed, NW MT is overrun with snowflake visitors. Don't give a Chit about MT... just how they can get ahead of the next car... simply to be behind the ***next WA, OR, TX, CA, UT, VA, NY plate.

NW MT will turn into THE royal cluster F-k once we allow the *entitled Albertan / Calgarians to run amuck and compound our already over burdened County and adjacent areas.

Dreading seeing the border open... is what it is. NW MT

Shit sandwich along the outskirts of GNP...
flatheadbeacon.com

Off the Grid and Overrun - Flathead Beacon

It’s not quite 9 a.m. and North Fork District Ranger Jim Dahlstrom has heard the names “Bowman” and “Kintla” lakes mispronounced so many times he’s stopped correcting people, turning his attention instead to the more pressing business of parsing visitors — sizing them up and winnowing the...
flatheadbeacon.com
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It’s a mess up there, we are wanting out
 
DouglasR said:
Kim McGahey, the voice of reason in summit county voiced concern about the issue in a recent op-Ed.
www.summitdaily.com

Opinion | Kim McGahey: Welcome to Sacramento, Colorado

The United States has undergone significant demographic redistribution over the past decade, which has been accelerated over the past year due to urban flight caused by coronaphobia. The trend has been the depopulation of major...
www.summitdaily.com
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What an idiot.
 
DouglasR said:
Is Susan Knopf your aunt?
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The housing shortage for low income/seasonal workers in ski towns has been an issue for my entire life. You will remember Dexter's accommodations in Aspen Extreme.

High mountain valley's, bottoms were ranch land, purchased by developers who built second homes for the 1 percent. All the mountains are public land therefore you can't build there, geography in these areas restricts growth, that's just the reality. In the past people kinda made it work by just living down the valley from the resort areas and commuting everyday. Now "down valley" is getting the same pinch and workers have nowhere. It's not just dudes slinging chairs for the resort, it's teachers, cops, nurses, post office, etc etc any lower/middleclass job. Attrition in all of these professions for as long as I have been alive has been brutal in ski towns. There were years were it was 80% for teachers.

Vail resort has tried to deal with this issue, how do you pay people $8.50 in Vail, with employee housing, they have a couple of college dorm like properties that they fill with seasonal workers. J-1 Student Visas have been the backbone of a lot of their work force. Various administrations had dicked with the program and its a huge topic of consternation for everyone in the valley. Bush/Obama/Trump/COVID, in different ways affected J-1s and had major impacts on the workforce.

Solutions are tough, but that absolutely needs to be the focus of the conversation.

Why is California, California... who knows, probably a combination of various conservative and liberal policies coupled with massive immigration, growth, and geopolitical factors that took place over the last 50 years. Wild innovation and economic opportunity has it's downsides. Any human development has it's downsides, there is no free lunch.

This guy is an idiot simply because he obviously hasn't been paying attention for the last 3 decades. My parents left Grand County in 1994 because 2 teaching salaries couldn't pay for housing. We moved to Michigan for 2 years then moved back to eagle county, who at the time was dealing with their own teacher crisis by building teacher housing which they rented at a huge subsidized rate, which allowed young teachers to build up enough savings on a downpayment for a house. In our case the program worked and my parents worked in the district for 25+ years.

Jackasses scream about commies, adults fix shit.
 
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tjones said:
Lumber prices are tanking, FWIW
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Since I can no longer afford even a eight foot 2×4, I haven't priced anything lately! 🤯
Wha'cha gonna build with one board? LOL!

Sytes said:
Not simply employees... or the unemployed, NW MT is overrun with snowflake visitors. Don't give a Chit about MT... just how they can get ahead of the next car... simply to be behind the ***next WA, OR, TX, CA, UT, VA, NY plate.

NW MT will turn into THE royal cluster F-k once we allow the *entitled Albertan / Calgarians to run amuck and compound our already over burdened County and adjacent areas.

Dreading seeing the border open... is what it is. NW MT

Shit sandwich along the outskirts of GNP...
flatheadbeacon.com

Off the Grid and Overrun - Flathead Beacon

It’s not quite 9 a.m. and North Fork District Ranger Jim Dahlstrom has heard the names “Bowman” and “Kintla” lakes mispronounced so many times he’s stopped correcting people, turning his attention instead to the more pressing business of parsing visitors — sizing them up and winnowing the...
flatheadbeacon.com
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From lumber prices to immigration?
Far out and groovy!
Never been to MT, but I've always admired MT! Heck, I admire ALL western states, well, maybe 'cept Cali******!
With what's happening on the "Left Coast" (WA, OR & CA), we've been experiencing an influx of undesirables too.
 
Hilljackoutlaw said:
Well not tanking, but yes took a big drop in the last 3 weeks. Still higher than normal, but sucks for the lumber salesman who bought high and now selling at market value.
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Mill price on 2x4-8’ studs is off 50% in less than a month.
This is at the wholesale level.
Lumber Composite off 50% in 6 weeks and futures off almost 50% in 8 weeks.
A very simplistic look at the market but ya tanking.
 
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