I couldn't agree more with 1313. A few years ago my wife "won" at an auction a fully guided bull elk hunt...tents and horses the full get-up. So I thought well, I want to got too so I paid the full price for same hunt in unit 55 east of Gunnison. I guess I wanted the experience to hunt from horses etc... All went well until the first day. Rode horses for three + miles into NF smack dab right into where every T, D and H was already set up. So we walked over a ways and sat down in the dark timber, absolutely NO shooting lanes, no nothing, yea sure!! Our faithful guide pulled out a paper-back read a while then went to sleep. Next day a different guide, (1st guide had to get back to Denver), this time we went a different direction into the NF, this time our guide started a fire...thought we were cold, yea sure!!! Then he took off his boots and said the elk will come up the ridge...which was a small grass opening 700 yds away, yea sure!! Soon every T, D and H came up the ridge. Third day different guide , (2nd guide had to get back to Gunnison), this time we set up in a blind over-looking a really nice meadow, after ten minutes the guide took off walking exactly in the direction we thought the elk would approach. He said he would "channel" the elk our way, yea sure!! The guide ended up walking right in front of us in the open meadow as he came back to the blind. The fourth day, the "owner" guide took us on a steep 45 degree ride straight up Fossil Ridge, parked us by some big rocks and with no shooting lanes or open space, yea sure! He, like the other three guides, would not listen to my suggestions or discuss other ideas. The "owner" guide then, with a roll of toilet paper disappeared for at least an hour. During the course of the day, my wife had to help the "owner" guide put on his coat several times...he hurt his shoulder, he said he fell off his horse while he was sleeping a few days earlier. Later a very steep ride back to camp. I hope you get what I'm trying to say here. During the course of the five days of "riding horses" we had four different guides with far less experience than us and no true dedication or desire to help us get a bull. If you're going to pay for a fully guided hunt, I would highly recommend you go with a guide service that has access to private property, limited number of hunters and a dedicated experienced guide for yourself and fully discuss hunting strategy and options beforehand. Good luck!!