That is an awesome idea. Randy would kill it.
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Forkyfinder
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Im not sure - but i imagine with a following like that - it would become extremely bothersome. I can tell you if i was worth 100M or more - i wouldnt be - famous or not.
Rogan is actually a liberal - and i would wager likely speak in favor of public lands if prompted and educated. The really important thing - he is really good at interviewing people. You dont end up the biggest podcast in the world without a level of talent, like it/him or not.
In any event - i believe enough in @Big Fin 's ability to make a compelling case for public lands - independent of the bias of the interviewer. If im honest - im not sure of many that are better at it - if any. That kind of platform combined with randys passion, knowledge, and delivery would be the strongest public lands content on the internet.
There's a lot of contradiction in what I said above. It was almost entirely contradictory. I thought about that for a minute. I guess I just don't see how anyone is going to undo the messaging that conservatives have heard about federal government for my entire life.
There's a two way dynamic. I do think people generally just say and think what they're told to say and think. I also think that they're constantly told something that aligns with what they want to hear. No one wants to hear that it's ultimately the apathy and ignorance of the common person that is to blame for much of our problems.
I feel like if Joe Rogan is our hope we've already lost.
Getting outside the scope of what Fin probably wants this thread to be about. Apologies, I'll bow out.
There's a two way dynamic. I do think people generally just say and think what they're told to say and think. I also think that they're constantly told something that aligns with what they want to hear. No one wants to hear that it's ultimately the apathy and ignorance of the common person that is to blame for much of our problems.
I feel like if Joe Rogan is our hope we've already lost.
Getting outside the scope of what Fin probably wants this thread to be about. Apologies, I'll bow out.
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Krapper karma in UT. It also shows how everything is spun against USFS/BLM there.
BuzzH
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Yep, everything has to run through DOGE for any contracts which is incredibly slow and cumbersome. Combine that with short staffing and reducing the number of COR's/ways to purchase, that's what happens.
Oh, but I'm assured everything is just fine.
Oh, but I'm assured everything is just fine.
mevertsen
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And this is the reason Mike Lee will be a thorn in our side for a long time.
Utah wants lands out of fed control. And the people will vote for him to keep at it
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Time for tourists to learn about leave no trace and the ultra light poop kit.
All kidding aside, the suggestions above to use Rogan is a tremendous idea. He has a huge base. I think both sides listen to him, although he is considered a conservative these days in liberal influencer circles. He is also into hunting and has been introduced to the importance of public access through Rinella. I'm assuming those two are still pretty tight.
Edit: someone made the comment that this is probably not on the radar of anyone to the east. 100% correct. I tried raising awareness to some on the east coast since I am originally from there. They don't care. That's a problem. Best way to get to them is a history lesson about our public lands. The hunting and other usage angle mostly falls on deaf ears.
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Yup, @WyoCoalMiner coming to Wyoming, just a matter of timeYep, everything has to run through DOGE for any contracts which is incredibly slow and cumbersome. Combine that with short staffing and reducing the number of COR's/ways to purchase, that's what happens.
Oh, but I'm assured everything is just fine.
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If figuring out how to get every FS shitter in UT cleaned requires anymore than 1 FS employee then they are doomed.
Hunting Wife
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The agency people know how. It’s the DOGE people and the politicians that have put a stop to the funding and the procurement, got rid of a bunch of employees, and cancelled a bunch of contracts that used to do this stuff. It was deemed waste, fraud, and abuse, and the people cheered. And here we are.
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If this is reality then how are the rest of them getting cleaned?
mevertsen
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Its not that they arent being cleaned, they just arent full yet, would be my guess.
That would require a contract with a local business.
That goes through DOGE.
I doubt the county is going to have much luck cleaning out septic tanks that are owned by the forest service.
BuzzH
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It is reality. I think there's just a lag in the areas that see less use. Not every shitter is going to fill up even once a year in some of the more off the beaten path areas. Those you might be able to stay in front of if they don't see the use. Plus, not all the shitters on public land are FS, some are maintained by counties, state parks, etc.
But, its flat a reality that everything has to go through DOGE and its not efficient, it's not effective, and its super slow. Its a bunch of 3rd graders trying to figure out contracts that don't know their ass from their elbow.
I'm not forcing you to believe it, but I know what I'm seeing, what I'm having to go through, etc. just to get basic gear to do my job. I also know that one COR can't process all the requests at the same rate/pace that 3-4 people used to do. Just the way it is.
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I completely understand and believe that the prior way of doing things has been turned upside down for many if not all FS employees. It happens all the time in private business. I have been part of it and it’s frustrating. I don’t have any idea if the changes are for the better or worse. You say they are worse, so I’ll believe you. Don’t believe you have lied to me in the past doubt you are now.
That being said, we are 6 months into this. If adapting to these changes for even basic functions continues to be an insurmountable obstacle then there is little hope. I refuse to believe that this is little more than someone, somewhere dropped the ball on getting shitters cleaned. Something that has happened before under all administrations. It will most likely happen again.
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Maybe the prior way of doing things wasn't as bad as we were made to believe. If the waste, fraud, and abuse were that bad, why didn't DOGE find much then? It seems intuitive to me that if there was massive fraud, waste, and abuse, it would have been relatively easy to find...yet, not much was found. There's a reason for that.
I agree with this guy that worked for DOGE until he told the truth and was promptly shit-canned.
I don't think there's much if any abuse and fraud, some waste for sure that could be cleaned up. Show me a private business that is any different.
Where I think there COULD have been improvements is in the modernization, going digital with more stuff, improving software, fuggin' ALLOWING and purchasing software that we need, updating operating systems, etc. etc. Where I feel we're way behind is in technology. That has the potential to stream-line and improve efficiency, big-time.
I did not find the federal government to be rife with waste, fraud and abuse. I was expecting some more easy wins. I was hoping for opportunity to cut waste, fraud and abuse. And I do believe that there is a lot of waste. There's minimal amounts of fraud. And abuse, to me, feels relatively nonexistent. And the reason is — I think we have a bias as people coming from the tech industry where we worked at companies, you know, such as Google, Facebook, these companies that have plenty of money, are funded by investors and have lots of people kind of sitting around doing nothing.
The government has been under sort of a magnifying glass for decades. And so I think, generally, I personally was pretty surprised, actually, at how efficient the government was. This isn't to say that it can't be made more efficient — elimination of paper, elimination of faxing — but these aren't necessarily fraud, waste and abuse. These are just rooms to modernize and improve the U.S. federal government into the 21st century.
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You may very well be right. No fraud, no abuse, minimal waste. My sense is that is probably accurate other than the waste. I think big gains in efficiency are possible. Every private business I have been part of has had a great deal of low hanging fruit. I will also concede that the Doge folks haven’t made any of that better. None of that changes the fact that this is the system you work under today. Adapt and overcome is the only realistic path forward. If the low bar of cleaning shitters can’t be hurdled then how does the rest of the bigger stuff I mentioned in the other thread manage to happen? It happens by folks dealing with the system as it is today not how they wish it was and figuring it out. I’m too confident in the vast majority of public sector employees to believe this is little more than a dropped ball. It happens to the best of us.
Typing on my phone is killing me. I’ll give you a call tomorrow @BuzzH. I would be interested in hearing directly how your world has been affected. Assuming you will answer.
BuzzH
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Just don't call from about 1-2:30, this shitty, inefficient gov employee will be busy donating some hours on a holiday weekend to help out some other shitty gov employees.You may very well be right. No fraud, no abuse, minimal waste. My sense is that is probably accurate other than the waste. I think big gains in efficiency are possible. Every private business I have been part of has had a great deal of low hanging fruit. I will also concede that the Doge folks haven’t made any of that better. None of that changes the fact that this is the system you work under today. Adapt and overcome is the only realistic path forward. If the low bar of cleaning shitters can’t be hurdled then how does the rest of the bigger stuff I mentioned in the other thread manage to happen? It happens by folks dealing with the system as it is today not how they wish it was and figuring it out. I’m too confident in the vast majority of public sector employees to believe this is little more than a dropped ball. It happens to the best of us.
Typing on my phone is killing me. I’ll give you a call tomorrow @BuzzH. I would be interested in hearing directly how your world has been affected. Assuming you will answer.
Phase Two of the Doge rebellion is upon us: The Agency Strikes Back.
Is there some red tape legitimately preventing service? Almost certainly. Is it being leveraged to the max to prove a point?
There does seem to be some games of chicken beginning to be played by the agencies- I believe the term is called “malicious compliance.” I understand how they can be tempted to drag their feet on things, close access in areas etc to advertise to the public how necessary they are.
This is not without risk. If the county or state can step in and affectively take care of this problem with relative ease, what else could they do better? This plays right into the current administration’s hands and risks the moral high ground. At this point, the good guys just need to outlast the current regime. There will be a change soon.
“Shitter’s full… Call the local government?”
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