Rancher/outfitter close public road in eastern MT

[Wind Gypsy]

Please take your unrelated cluelessness to its own thread.

 

[sapperJ24]

Are you referring to Coer D'Alene? My good friend I went to middle school with lives in Coer D'Alene, he's a real estate agent...but it seems to me that Coer D'Alene is filled with a lot of the type of folks I'm trying to get away from in CA. Sandpoint also...but by the time you get up to Bonners Ferry, nobody wants to be up there...but that is where a LOT of public land is located. I want to watch how the public land sell plays out...

Not tax wise, it's not. MT is .79% property tax on purchase. ID is .4 %. MT also may pass that 2 % tax per year for non-residents.

Montana already passed a 'second-home' tax which will go into effect in 2026, estimated to be around a 68% increase.

 

[Gerald Martin]

Northwest MT and northern Idaho are where right wingers flock as they escape from “Liberal” states.

I say that as a self-proclaimed conservative. In the 18 years I lived there I watched my county transition from rural neighbors generally watching out for each other without bothering to figure out what their neighbors’ political affiliation was.

As more and more folks moved in from Washington, Oregon and northern CA the partisan tone and political messaging took a hard turn to the right, not conservative, but alt right tone.

The “political refugees” drove the housing market up to the upper end of what the local economy can support and changed the vibe of the area.

Interestingly enough, many of the emigres became outspokenly against “outsiders” moving into “their” community once they had lived there for five years or so.

Ironically, the head of the American Lands Council and her husband have been the local representatives at the MT legislature for over a decade. They moved into the community from Washington and were major players in past attempts to transfer federal lands to the states and eventually into private ownership. When past President Ken Ivory resigned from his salaried position our representative became the the volunteer president of the organization while serving concurrently as the people’s representative in Helena.

Not coincidentally, they’re part of the same religious affiliation as Brother Lee and Brother Ammon Bundy.

In my opinion the right wing saturation of folks moving to MT has just as many negative impacts as progressive liberals moving to MT does. Folks of both ideologies come with the intent to shape the place they move to into their own preferences rather than appreciating MT for its unique historic Libertarian approach to politics and social issues and working with their neighbors to solve problems.

 

[TheTone]

Northwest MT and northern Idaho are where right wingers flock as they escape from “Liberal” states.

I say that as a self-proclaimed conservative. In the 18 years I lived there I watched my county transition from rural neighbors generally watching out for each other without bothering to figure out what their neighbors’ political affiliation was.

As more and more folks moved in from Washington, Oregon and northern CA the partisan tone and political messaging took a hard turn to the right, not conservative, but alt right tone.

The “political refugees” drove the housing market up to the upper end of what the local economy can support and changed the vibe of the area.

Interestingly enough, many of the emigres became outspokenly against “outsiders” moving into “their” community once they had lived there for five years or so.

Ironically, the head of the American Lands Council and her husband have been the local representatives at the MT legislature for over a decade. They moved into the community from Washington and were major players in past attempts to transfer federal lands to the states and eventually into private ownership. When past President Ken Ivory resigned from his salaried position our representative became the the volunteer president of the organization while serving concurrently as the people’s representative in Helena.

Not coincidentally, they’re part of the same religious affiliation as Brother Lee and Brother Ammon Bundy.

In my opinion the right wing saturation of folks moving to MT has just as many negative impacts as progressive liberals moving to MT does. Folks of both ideologies come with the intent to shape the place they move to into their own preferences rather than appreciating MT for its unique historic Libertarian approach to politics and social issues and working with their neighbors to solve problems.

1000% agree. Things have gotten almost scary in parts of northern Idaho with people basically trying to out conservative each other. Without question my most conservative coworker moved farther north a few years back. He moved back to more central Idaho within a couple years because it was getting too conservative for even him

 

[Gerald Martin]

1000% agree. Things have gotten almost scary in parts of northern Idaho with people basically trying to out conservative each other. Without question my most conservative coworker moved farther north a few years back. He moved back to more central Idaho within a couple years because it was getting too conservative for even him

There’s a huge difference between conservative and right wing.

Labels are all but meaningless anymore but at one time conservative was the banner of folks who adhered to the principles of conservation above loyalty to the personalities who led a particular political party.

 

[Hem]

Buy a mining claim and set up a shack.
Pretty cheap. Can't guarantee integrity of neighbors. Freeze your ass off, get routinely stuck.
Alot of dreamers do this, eventually leave.

 

[Forkyfinder]

That's why I said we're not even on the same page. I was saying exactly the opposite.

Or, at least how I see it. Many liberals from CA moved to CDA area, and also Sandpoint to some extent. Same problem for me in Lake County, CA. It is plagued with liberal CA folks owning second homes there. I am kind of person the liberals like to blame.

I was kind of saying that CDA seems the most liberal to me, Sandpoint less so, and Bonners Ferry the least. Bonners Ferry has the most boxes checked for me, if I can claim residence there.

Aside from Bonners Ferry being more of what I like, there's a lot of public land that could be under attack with the recent bill by the Utah Senator. Utah is too liberal for me, and I will not consider UT as a possible state. CA is also under attack, and if I stay in CA, Northern California BLM land stands the most to lose. Anything that could be turned into a local fraud will go through.

My concerns with ID are:
1) amount of snow and duration
2) Selling of public land and IFG, they oddly don't seem very good for hunting.
3) What type of purchase is required for residency?

My concerns for MT are:
1) Higher property tax, but no sales tax.
2) Same selling of public land issue, see 2) above for ID
3) Building permits

I have 30 days for escrow to close, and until then I am without cash to make any offers. My plan has been to wait until after Labor Day, where I think the buyer has a huge advantage with winter approaching for both ID and MT. Both suffer from the liberal movement I'm intertwined with. Those people don't like me hunting in CA, or any state for that matter. Please don't lump me in with them.

This is an example of what I was looking at, buyer couldn't wait, but it has all utilities in for home and shop, no permits are needed. I don't see any way around the purchase price, so in this case you could in theory create living space in the shop, or at least park an RV in there. ID would probably welcome residency. But what if the selling of public land f#@$s up the migration path of the very animals I want to hunt on my property. That's all from the Kootenai River, down into the Preist Lake, Sandpoint, and even Coer D'Alene...they can't get rid of the game, even if they did, but I don't want to be surrounded by residential in 20 years, either.

8 Splendor Mount Way, Bonners Ferry, ID 83805 | Zillow

This is a 1500 square foot, Vacant Land. It is located at 8 Splendor Mount Way, Bonners Ferry, ID.

www.zillow.com

I hope that explains it better. I'm trying to find a better place to live, my wife was keeping me to CA for the most part, but I need to think about a backup plan.

The hunting here is great - especially on public land. Provided you pay someone to access it.

 

[Forkyfinder]

@sclancy27 - what was hunter density in r7? I feel like you cited that at one point

 

[antlerradar]

Should also check out our track record for hail storms. Saw videos of people 10 miles from me running the snow blower across 18” of hailView attachment 375723

No worries, Two week from now we will probably have a week of 100 degree plus temperatures and wildfire smoke filled skies.

 

[cgasner1]

No worries, Two week from now we will probably have a week of 100 degree plus temperatures and wildfire smoke filled skies.

Grizzlies also can’t forget those giant killing machines

 

[rogerthat]

I literally can’t even remember what this thread was about. This has to be right up there with one of the greatest thread derails ever on hunttalk.

 

[MTGomer]

Northwest MT and northern Idaho are where right wingers flock as they escape from “Liberal” states.

I say that as a self-proclaimed conservative. In the 18 years I lived there I watched my county transition from rural neighbors generally watching out for each other without bothering to figure out what their neighbors’ political affiliation was.

As more and more folks moved in from Washington, Oregon and northern CA the partisan tone and political messaging took a hard turn to the right, not conservative, but alt right tone.

The “political refugees” drove the housing market up to the upper end of what the local economy can support and changed the vibe of the area.

Interestingly enough, many of the emigres became outspokenly against “outsiders” moving into “their” community once they had lived there for five years or so.

Ironically, the head of the American Lands Council and her husband have been the local representatives at the MT legislature for over a decade. They moved into the community from Washington and were major players in past attempts to transfer federal lands to the states and eventually into private ownership. When past President Ken Ivory resigned from his salaried position our representative became the the volunteer president of the organization while serving concurrently as the people’s representative in Helena.

Not coincidentally, they’re part of the same religious affiliation as Brother Lee and Brother Ammon Bundy.

In my opinion the right wing saturation of folks moving to MT has just as many negative impacts as progressive liberals moving to MT does. Folks of both ideologies come with the intent to shape the place they move to into their own preferences rather than appreciating MT for its unique historic Libertarian approach to politics and social issues and working with their neighbors to solve problems.

I’m submitting this to the BDC‘s editorial on your behalf

 

[Forkyfinder]

I literally can’t even remember what this thread was about. This has to be right up there with one of the greatest thread derails ever on hunttalk.

It should be about hunter crowding and hunt quality.

I guess none of that means anything as long as we end the dreaded "rut hunt."

 

[TraditionalToolworks]

The hunting here is great - especially on public land. Provided you pay someone to access it.

Was hoping I wouldn't have to pay them, hence, investing in ID or MT. No building permits is a huge plus for Nothern ID. What I refer to as eastern Montana is the southern area down by Dillon. That''s getting a bit close to Wyoming. I think I've decided to stay away from Wyoming. My understanding is the Dillon side is less windy.

I just saw that MT is not on the big beautiful bill to sell of public land. A definitely plus for Montana! I want to hunt public land. It would be comforting to know that public land will stay public.

I literally can’t even remember what this thread was about. This has to be right up there with one of the greatest thread derails ever on hunttalk.

That's why you can read it in the thread title of your browser. You're not using your phone to access this site, are you? It's about large ranchers closing off public roads through their ranches, to prevent the public from access their private property. That's to paraphrase.

 

[Forkyfinder]

I just saw that MT is not on the big beautiful bill to sell of public land. A definitely plus for Montana! I want to hunt public land.

Gotta go further east.

Jordans got some great public land hunting - as long youre willing to walk 8 miles.

If you cant walk - i hear the gate opens fine for 3k or 8k.

 

[TraditionalToolworks]

Gotta go further east.

Jordans got some great public land hunting - as long youre willing to walk 8 miles.

If you cant walk - i hear the gate opens fine for 3k or 8k.

I think I can walk, although not young, I was swimming 1 mile in the morning and 1 mile in the evening on all weekdays recently, but haven't swam in a couple weeks. You got me! I walked about 2 miles with my gym pack one day a few weeks ago, it weighs about 15 pounds. Was thinking it might be good to put my gym bag in my backpack, which has about 30–40 lbs of weight in it. That would be about 50-60 lbs. I'd like to plan for that, with my rifle.

Honestly, I would hope to hunt on my property. If I could get an Elk or a Moose, or even a Bear on my property, I think it would be legal to dress it and take the meat back to CA with me.

But when you say go further east, is that really north from Dillon/Nye, tucked down in that southwest corner that wraps around Wyoming/Yellowstone? Bozeman is pretty much down in that area also, but are you pointing more towards Hays or Fort Peck? Or what about Caldwell, it's up almost at the Canadian border, does Montana have private land to buy/hunt up there? In that regard, nothing could be sold off between the border and Montana, even if they sell off Idaho, Oregon, Washington, and California public land. The bill is literally talking about millions of acres to be sold off by each of these states. Since Montana is not listed on the bill that got in, they may be safe.

If this would be better to post in another thread, let me know.

This is kind of pertinent to the public land:

The "Big, Beautiful Bill," as some call it, proposes selling off millions of acres of public land in 11 western states. These states include Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming. The bill is part of a larger budget reconciliation effort and aims to raise revenue by selling lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service.

Specifically, the bill mandates the sale of between 2.02 million and 3.04 million acres of land in these states over five years, with the potential for up to 250 million acres to be eligible for sale, according to The Wilderness Society. The bill prioritizes land within five miles of existing population centers and land suitable for housing development, according to the New York Times.

 

[Hem]

Coincidence?
Another TT.

 

[Wildabeest]

If this would be better to post in another thread, let me know.

Yes

 

[sclancy27]

@sclancy27 - what was hunter density in r7? I feel like you cited that at one point

Hunter Density....I'm not reading this entire thing, what exactly are you looking for?

 

[TraditionalToolworks]

Coincidence?
Another TT.

That I don't know, I only know of one Traditional Toolworks, and that is ME. I also post as Konocti's Wigwam and liber on some forums.