Otc Sheep

[mtmuley]

You will still have max points, and you have bought every point that you have for about $2 a piece other than the 600 or so that you were gifted by a rule change.

Yeah. After thinking about it I did buy the points. If FWP cuts me out of the squared system, I'm not ok with that. No good way to phase it out. mtmuley

 

[Hem]

I think your well being is squared if you dont dwell on things too much.

 

[MTTW]

I think your well being is squared if you dont dwell on things too much.

You sound like you are drinking wine?

 

[DFS]

When sheep tags go from 300 plus to 100 in 20 years there is no fixing the demand issue. Ban domestics from the state and restore western Montana to its natural beauty. Neither is going to happen. No Points For You.

 

[Hem]

You sound like you are drinking wine?

Not yet.

 

[Hem]

Not yet.

I drew goat and moose years ago. Three LE elk tags, but they were easy.
And finally the sheep tag.
Point being, I just put in, get the BP, and move on. I dont lose sleep over it.
But yeah, easy for me to say.

 

[TheTone]

Correct IF you pull the trigger. You also cannot put in for Elk, deer, or antelope if you want to hunt moose, sheep, or goat. I think this makes more of a difference than making tags OIL.

And if you draw an antlered elk or deer tag you have to sit out a year for those species

Even with the restrictions draw odds still stink

 

[mtmuley]

I drew goat and moose years ago. Three LE elk tags, but they were easy.
And finally the sheep tag.
Point being, I just put in, get the BP, and move on. I dont lose sleep over it.
But yeah, easy for me to say.

Some of us are still in the game. mtmuley

 

[Hem]

Some of us are still in the game. mtmuley

Im back in the game for everything but sheep.
But then there is the super tag.

 

[DFS]

Some of us are still in the game. mtmuley

Think of the children.

 

[mtmuley]

I drew goat and moose years ago. Three LE elk tags, but they were easy.
And finally the sheep tag.
Point being, I just put in, get the BP, and move on. I dont lose sleep over it.
But yeah, easy for me to say.

Some of us are still in the game. mtmuley

Think of the children.

No. After they are of age to hunt, then points. Not before. mtmuley

 

[Hams42]

And if you draw an antlered elk or deer tag you have to sit out a year for those species

Even with the restrictions draw odds still stink.

Unfortunately I do think Idaho and New Mexico have mostly the right idea. Bonus points are a sham and a broken system. I don't think there is a real fix as of right now.

 

[Big Sky Guy]

Yeah. After thinking about it I did buy the points. If FWP cuts me out of the squared system, I'm not ok with that. No good way to phase it out. mtmuley

How come if everyone else gets cut too? I would gladly give mine up and go for a straight up draw no points system. I would prefer they change MSG to OIL as well.

Pretty sure Newberg has talked about the bonus point system and how they all presented statistics an facts showing this would be the end result when FWP was considering doing the bonus point system but the old guys running the show at the time couldn’t stand the thought for whatever reason and decided to implement it regardless of facts.

 

[mtmuley]

How come if everyone else gets cut too? I would gladly give mine up and go for a straight up draw no points system. I would prefer they change MSG to OIL as well.

Pretty sure Newberg has talked about the bonus point system and how they all presented statistics an facts showing this would be the end result when FWP was considering doing the bonus point system but the old guys running the show at the time couldn’t stand the thought for whatever reason and decided to implement it regardless of facts.

You can't change the rules after the game has started. mtmuley

 

[MTTW]

Montana adopted the squared bonus point system in 2012, so the rules were changed after the game started.

 

[mtmuley]

Montana adopted the squared bonus point system in 2012, so the rules were changed after the game started.

So what happens to us that are holding max after 2012.? mtmuley

 

[INMT]

So what happens to us that are holding max after 2012.? mtmuley

Probably be grandfathered in and get to use your points. As more and more points get used it would change to a random draw.

 

[DFS]

So what happens to us that are holding max after 2012.? mtmuley

Take a spin through the draw odds. You most likely will never draw in your life regardless of how many points you have or what district you apply for. That is the reality of the “big three”. I blame it on destruction of habitat and pumped up demand. Maybe an influencer needs to do a podcast on how most people will never draw a tag.

 

[rogerthat]

Nothing wrong with Montanas bonus point squared system. It’s a fine system. Theres no system that works for the really high demand tags like sheep tags or root muley tags.

 

[MTTW]

So what happens to us that are holding max after 2012.? mtmuley

In 2012 you had 12 points and today you have 26 points. Just like it says you have 26 to 1 odds advantage over a new hunter but no advantage over another max point hunter. With squared points you have 676 to 2 advantage over the new hunter but no advantage over another max point hunter.

Next year the new hunter will have 2 or 4 and you will have 729. Your odds of drawing a tag will improve negligibly (if people drop out) while the newer hunter goes backwards forever. Eventually someone will do the math for newcomers, and they will quit playing the game.

Anyone who thinks the squared point system is fine has a sense of entitlement that I can't wrap my head around.