Little Big Man MT Chris
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While working today I saw this sign on the back of a guys truck, it amused me so I took a pic to share with everyone
One mans opinion on wolves back in Oregon
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Little Big Man MT Chris
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Living in western Oregon , we don't here a lot about wolves even though they have been reintroduced in eastern Oregon some years back and there still proteced. So I'm not up to speed on what effect there having in that part of our state , I did read someone poped one the collered wolves during Mulie season earlier this month , so Oregon fish and game and some wolf advocates have offered up a 15,000 reward. My feelings is there breeding and protected coupled with our cougars no longer being allowed to be hunted with dogs , I didn't shed a tear over one less wolf
James Riley
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Those who have the courage of their convictions won't shut up. Indeed, they'd shoot the wolf openly, honestly and like a man. Otherwise they are just another fkg coward and a criminal and a poacher.
Lot's of folks seem to pick and choose when it comes to wildlife laws: Criminal to haze elk onto private land with a chopper? Bad. Private fence on public land? Bad. Spotlighting? Bad. Shoot elk out of season? Bad. Poaching wolves? Good. Corner hopping? Good. The list could go on.
Yes, the law is an ass. It's made for assholes. But-for them, there would be no need for law. I'd like to shoot assholes, shovel and shut up. I'd sooner shoot an asshole than poach a wolf. But I'm not a coward or a criminal.
Lot's of folks seem to pick and choose when it comes to wildlife laws: Criminal to haze elk onto private land with a chopper? Bad. Private fence on public land? Bad. Spotlighting? Bad. Shoot elk out of season? Bad. Poaching wolves? Good. Corner hopping? Good. The list could go on.
Yes, the law is an ass. It's made for assholes. But-for them, there would be no need for law. I'd like to shoot assholes, shovel and shut up. I'd sooner shoot an asshole than poach a wolf. But I'm not a coward or a criminal.
Joe Hulburt
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Urban legend.
No wolves were reintroduced to Oregon. They just walked in and made themselves at home. The closest reintroduction was in Central Idaho. Unfortunately due to the politics in Oregon hell will freeze over before we will ever be allowed to manage them here. Also unfortunate is the fact that our elk populations in NE Oregon are already struggling so the end result will most certainly be a further reduction in hunting opportunity.
Yeah, my point. OregonChris needs to do some homework. mtmuley
Little Big Man MT Chris
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I thought I read that they were , the wolf that was shot was wearing a radio transmitter, I had no idea I was gonna touch a hot topic , when I posted that pic, I did say I didn't know a lot about wolves in eastern Oregon, I'm sorry if I spoke out of line it was never my intention, and I have no problem with being told I made a mistake, I'm far from perfect, reading James post made me think ?? In the last year I've read about elk and deer being poached in Oregon and I get angry, then I read a report about a wolf being poached and I don't feel anything inside, I don't condone poaching , but why do I have different feelings about animals being poached based on what they are has made me think
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Rob Allen
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my ignorant opinion. i am open to correction on everything.
elk numbers are growing throughout most of their range at least that is my understanding. wolf numbers are growing in that same region.
Hunters have a tendency to harvest large successfully breeding males and females which are also the most likely to survive a hard winter.
wolves have a tendency to harvest the very young and the very old, the least productive breeders and the least likely not make it through a hard winter.
i do not oppose legal wolf hunting I very strongly oppose the poaching of any animal and I don't believe that there is another legitimate viewpoint for an ethical hunter to have.
If you truly believe that wolves are a huge problem, buy a tag and encourage your friends to get tags too.
the shoot shovel and shut up crowd just gives hunters a bad name and gives fuel to the anti-hunting crowd.
again just my ignorant opinion.
elk numbers are growing throughout most of their range at least that is my understanding. wolf numbers are growing in that same region.
Hunters have a tendency to harvest large successfully breeding males and females which are also the most likely to survive a hard winter.
wolves have a tendency to harvest the very young and the very old, the least productive breeders and the least likely not make it through a hard winter.
i do not oppose legal wolf hunting I very strongly oppose the poaching of any animal and I don't believe that there is another legitimate viewpoint for an ethical hunter to have.
If you truly believe that wolves are a huge problem, buy a tag and encourage your friends to get tags too.
the shoot shovel and shut up crowd just gives hunters a bad name and gives fuel to the anti-hunting crowd.
again just my ignorant opinion.
Elkmagnet
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It kind of surprised me when I found out that they swim back and forth regularly. I did watch and video a coyote swim close to a mile across brownlee then see a car stopped on the other side and swim back. One of the only yotes I have ever felt bad for.
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tjones
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This approach didn't work out so well in Wyoming-still.
Joe Hulburt
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I don't see elk populations growing anywhere in NE Oregon but that isn't just because there are wolves on the landscape. I do agree that suggesting illegal killing is the answer is very detrimental to our cause as hunters. At the same time I understand where the frustration comes from, if I see a single wolf tag in Oregon in my lifetime I will be shocked.
WapitiBob
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ODFW has a bunch of collared Wolves in central, southern, and Eastern Oregon.
Rob Allen
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that's why i said most of their range..
I fully understand the frustration, as a person who has spent his adult life trying to fight for wild steelhead conservation there have been many temptations to violate game laws in that endeavor but if we want to present a positive view of hunting in a political climate that is growing towards anti-hunting we have to avoid even the appearance of wasteful blood lust poaching.
as with all animal population the primary reasons for decline are habitat related. we want more wildlife there needs to be more wildlife habitat. That means less livestock habitat IMO. forests are not farms.
I fully understand the frustration, as a person who has spent his adult life trying to fight for wild steelhead conservation there have been many temptations to violate game laws in that endeavor but if we want to present a positive view of hunting in a political climate that is growing towards anti-hunting we have to avoid even the appearance of wasteful blood lust poaching.
as with all animal population the primary reasons for decline are habitat related. we want more wildlife there needs to be more wildlife habitat. That means less livestock habitat IMO. forests are not farms.
sra61
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The problem in Montana came when they protected the wolf populations far past the point where the numbers passed their "Objectives". I have hunted units that used to have good elk populations that now are pretty much not worth the time to hunt. It's true also that part of the problem is, at least in those areas I am acquainted with, the habitat has changed mostly with new growth in old clearcuts that used to feed lots of animals. The elk got hit with at least a double whammy. I can see already though, just my opinion here, increasing elk numbers where the wolves have been thinned some by hunting. There were always wolves up here in NW Montana. I saw a big one 10 years before they introduced the Canadian's in here. He was only 15 yards, pretty hard to botch that identification. As far as the forests go, I think either let them burn or cut some timber.
Northwoods Labs
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Signs like this are exactly what gives hunters a bad name. I see plenty of them in northern Wisconsin. The people with these signs and other comments on social media are just shooting the rest of us in the rear. At wolf management meetings, anti-hunting folk frequently brought up these signs, claiming we just want to kill wolves for more deer, are "bloodthirsty", etc. I wonder what the general public, most of whom are neutral towards hunting, think when they see these signs. We need to encourage the discussion of proper wolf management, not outright poaching.
Little Big Man MT Chris
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Northwoods Labs Signs like this are exactly what gives hunters a bad name. I see plenty of them in northern Wisconsin.
this is the first one i have ever seen, living in oregon and i live on the west side of the state, far from where the wolves are, and up until monday i have never herd anyone, hunter or otherwise talk at all about wolves positive or negative , which is why i was surprised to see it. it was a custom made magnetic sign about 13" x 15" . i have challenged myself since seeing this sign on monday to start to better educate myself about the wolves in my state to get abetter understanding of what is going on.
this is the first one i have ever seen, living in oregon and i live on the west side of the state, far from where the wolves are, and up until monday i have never herd anyone, hunter or otherwise talk at all about wolves positive or negative , which is why i was surprised to see it. it was a custom made magnetic sign about 13" x 15" . i have challenged myself since seeing this sign on monday to start to better educate myself about the wolves in my state to get abetter understanding of what is going on.
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