New threat to 2nd A?

[TOGIE]

But... Is the rule of law the MOST important thing? Elections have consequences. As has been established quite clearly in thread after thread, this is what the majority of Americans want. This is #winning. Are "we", those who didn't vote for this, doing more harm by fighting against it? I might offer a perspective that fighting it provides the villain necessary to continue these operations. We can't pretend this is the 60s, we're in an entirely different reality.

I find that Trump's remarkable 180 in rhetoric on Walz and his refusal to comment on the Agent's actions speak volumes for how badly things are looking for the administration considering the usual course of action and comments given to date. It was hard to imagine how much worse things could look, tbh. But the king of "hold my beer" did it again. Certainly won't be the last.

You and I both know that it's not true that this is what the majority of Americans want.

Throwing in the towel in a fit of spite and "told you so" ain't the adult answer IMO.

 

[Forkyfinder]

You and I both know that it's not true that this is what the majority of Americans want.

Assuming a lot disdain in a majority of people.

Not a healthy world outlook.

 

[Irrelevant]

You and I both know that it's not true that this is what the majority of Americans want.

My interactions with other voting Americans leave me absolutely not convinced that it is true.

So you’re saying it would be better to let the house burn to the ground just to prove a point? I don’t accept that.

I'm saying everything that is currently being done, literally EVERYTHING, is being done because of those GD liberals crazies. Everything from the Fed, to immigration, Foreign policy, environmental regulation, DOJ, everything, EVERYTHING is being blamed (IN CAPS!) on the GD liberals. And that line of reasoning works, it has worked, and it will continue to work. You can say it shouldn't work, but that's besides the point. IT WORKS. So, I'd postulate that the opposition would do more good to just go home and stay off social media entirely. Vote when the time comes, but stop feeding the machine.

 

[Mallardsx2]

I don't know what the man was thinking or doing or what his intentions actually were by getting involved. I just hope it was something he felt was worth dying for.

Personally, I can guarantee that I wont be protesting ICE in a crime riddled city that is high on adrenaline, getting pepper sprayed by armed government agents, wrestled to the to the ground and used for target practice.

That wont be how my life ends.

 

[TOGIE]

My interactions with other voting Americans leave me absolutely not convinced that it is true.

Well, its a good thing that our personal interactions and assessments rarely can be broadly applied to 340 million people.

I’d say if MAGA holds its majority in the house and senate come November you will have been correct.

 

[NDGuy]

I just hope it was something he felt was worth dying for.

His last act on this earth was defending a woman being maced in the face by goons. Not the worst way to go out.

 

[elkduds]

My interactions with other voting Americans leave me absolutely not convinced that it is true.

I'm saying everything that is currently being done, literally EVERYTHING, is being done because of those GD liberals crazies. Everything from the Fed, to immigration, Foreign policy, environmental regulation, DOJ, everything, EVERYTHING is being blamed (IN CAPS!) on the GD liberals. And that line of reasoning works, it has worked, and it will continue to work. You can say it shouldn't work, but that's besides the point. IT WORKS. So, I'd postulate that the opposition would do more good to just go home and stay off social media entirely. Vote when the time comes, but stop feeding the machine.

I respectfully, vehemently disagree. Our national politics is not controlled by red or blue. Elections are decided by politically wavering voters choosing which side of the fence to fall off in November. They are reactive, and the current administration is the Colon Corral of all-you-can-eat illegality, violence and disastrous policy. SCOTUS currently opines if voters elect it, it is legal regardless of precedent and our Constitution. It is absolutely the role of conscientious Americans to speak out against corrupt, illegal governance. Our less-informed uncommitted voters are searching for crises to guide their avoidance; they vote against, not for.

 

[Irrelevant]

Well, its a good thing that our personal interactions and assessments rarely can be broadly applied to 340 million people.

I’d say if MAGA holds its majority in the house and senate come November you will have been correct.

Is it a better sign of a healthy society that a few people, with complex, nuanced opinions, step back and forth from side to side, or that there are some lines in the sand where everyone agrees it's been crossed? I would suggest the latter. And that even if the majority in Congress changes, the majority of "Americans (popular vote)" will still be aligned with the current administration. Which doesn't really change anything.

 

[Addicting]

His last act on this earth was defending a woman being maced in the face by goons. Not the worst way to go out.

I would argue his last act was interference in a highly charged propaganda machine. Both him and her were not thinking and were acting on impulse fueled by the narrative.

 

[Mallardsx2]

His last act on this earth was defending a woman being maced in the face by goons. Not the worst way to go out.

Nobody should lose their life over that.

 

[Irrelevant]

It is absolutely the role of conscientious Americans to speak out against corrupt, illegal governance. Our less-informed independent voters are searching for crises to guide their avoidance.

How did we get here? My take is that activism has been used quite effectively against the activists. When do you ask, "Is this working? if not, what else should/could I do?"

At some point, I would like to hope that a grownup shows up. And one of the biggest parts of being a grownup is restaint. The cycle of losing one's shit because of something the "other" guy did or said is not just exhausting but self-defeating.

 

[rtraverdavis]

I'm saying everything that is currently being done, literally EVERYTHING, is being done because of those GD liberals crazies. Everything from the Fed, to immigration, Foreign policy, environmental regulation, DOJ, everything, EVERYTHING is being blamed (IN CAPS!) on the GD liberals. And that line of reasoning works, it has worked, and it will continue to work. You can say it shouldn't work, but that's besides the point. IT WORKS. So, I'd postulate that the opposition would do more good to just go home and stay off social media entirely. Vote when the time comes, but stop feeding the machine.

I hear you, I get it. Let this administration hang itself. But November is a long time from now, and changes/actions taken by this administration come blitzkrieg-style. I don’t think we can just “wait it out.”

Aside from that, this is an opportunity for real leaders to emerge, who could offer a sane, moderate. reasonable path. Maybe that’s Pollyanna type thinking, but I’m not willing to give up hope that we can choose better than just between two extremes.

 

[Frequently Banned Troll]

Legal concealed or open carry are rights we have - but it only takes a few firing brain cells to recognize some obvious risks.

Darwin’s theory continues to prove itself in Minnesota.

 

[Gulf of America]

I've been wanting to post this same thread but have been having a hard time maintaining any version of civility when I start to type about this.

Listen to Kash Patel at 1:14 here:

I think there are a lot of special forces cosplayers (who are probably employed by ICE now) that have done just that, showing up to a protest with a loaded gun with plate carriers and stupid patches, but suddenly that's an offense worthy of execution.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me.
First They Came by Pastor Martin Niemoller (a German theologian who opposed the Nazi regime and narrowly escaped execution in the concentration camps.

You may not be a nazi. You may not be a fascist. But if you think they'll stand for you just because you kept quiet, you're f***ing retarded (which I can say now, thanks Trump).

 

[Irrelevant]

Legal concealed or open carry are rights we have - but it only takes a few firing brain cells to recognize some obvious risks.

Darwin’s theory continues to prove itself in Minnesota.

I would not be surprised if those rights were infringed upon and there is some punishment for it, but that doesn't bring someone back from the dead.

I have several friends that have completely stopped carrying because the risk outweighs any benefit.

 

[SaskHunter]

Nobody should lose their life over that.

Why are you blaming the victim, not the multiple aggressors who perform state-sponsored violence daily?

 

[Mallardsx2]

Why are you blaming the victim, not the multiple aggressors who perform state-sponsored violence daily?

I'm not really blaming anyone Bud.

I think the whole thing it stupid and it shouldn't have come to this.

 

[SaskHunter]

I'm not really blaming anyone Bud.

I think the whole thing it stupid and it shouldn't have come to this.

 

[NDGuy]

Nobody should lose their life over that.

Sure shouldn't lots of different decisions could have been made that day.

Probably starting with not shooting someone in the back with 5 people pummeling and macing them.

 

[brymoore]

Probably starting with not shooting someone in the back with 5 people pummeling and macing them.

As bad as this sounds, I miss the misuse of Billy clubs.