MT- M/S/G results 26

[Hawk Tuah]

After 47 unsuccessful years of applying, It looks like I finally drew a tag for IMO, the hardest of the big 3 critters to hunt, a Bridger Mts Goat.

Congratulations! That is awesome! Hope you score a nice one.

 

[MTGunner]

Can of worms.

I have been applying for 22 years as of this year. I have enjoyed the anticipation only to find that my applications were unsuccessful. I have 22 bonus points this year. If I understand correctly these are MY points. Points that I should be able to do with as I see fit. It’s my understanding that I cannot gift these points to someone, resident or other. I cannot sell these points, I would NOT. But, if these points are mine and my M,S&G hunting days have come to an end I believe, my personal opinion only, I should be able to gift them to another resident only.
This may or may not be a differing opinion of many. But, this is my opinion, agree or not.
There should be some program where a point holder can pass along these points. This, in my opinion again, should be resident to resident. Resident family member or friend. It should be ILLEGAL to sell these points. There are many who have aged and no longer apply for M,S&G who have points that languish away. I would so enjoy to pass along my points to some youngster, new hunter or a longtime applicant hunter so these points do not just go away.
I do NOT expect anyone to agree. This I only my opinion. Plus, I believe this to truly be a “ can of worms”. MTG

 

[DFS]

Can of worms.

I have been applying for 22 years as of this year. I have enjoyed the anticipation only to find that my applications were unsuccessful. I have 22 bonus points this year. If I understand correctly these are MY points. Points that I should be able to do with as I see fit. It’s my understanding that I cannot gift these points to someone, resident or other. I cannot sell these points, I would NOT. But, if these points are mine and my M,S&G hunting days have come to an end I believe, my personal opinion only, I should be able to gift them to another resident only.
This may or may not be a differing opinion of many. But, this is my opinion, agree or not.
There should be some program where a point holder can pass along these points. This, in my opinion again, should be resident to resident. Resident family member or friend. It should be ILLEGAL to sell these points. There are many who have aged and no longer apply for M,S&G who have points that languish away. I would so enjoy to pass along my points to some youngster, new hunter or a longtime applicant hunter so these points do not just go away.
I do NOT expect anyone to agree. This I only my opinion. Plus, I believe this to truly be a “ can of worms”. MTG

Points were the can of worms that were opened. That was a long time ago. Not enough wildlife and increased demand. Look at the number of tags issued early 2000’s vs now for the big 3.

 

[cgasner1]

Points were the can of worms that were opened. That was a long time ago. Not enough wildlife and increased demand. Look at the number of tags issued early 2000’s vs now for the big 3.

We should just all be thankful they didn’t do preference

 

[cgasner1]

Can of worms.

I have been applying for 22 years as of this year. I have enjoyed the anticipation only to find that my applications were unsuccessful. I have 22 bonus points this year. If I understand correctly these are MY points. Points that I should be able to do with as I see fit. It’s my understanding that I cannot gift these points to someone, resident or other. I cannot sell these points, I would NOT. But, if these points are mine and my M,S&G hunting days have come to an end I believe, my personal opinion only, I should be able to gift them to another resident only.
This may or may not be a differing opinion of many. But, this is my opinion, agree or not.
There should be some program where a point holder can pass along these points. This, in my opinion again, should be resident to resident. Resident family member or friend. It should be ILLEGAL to sell these points. There are many who have aged and no longer apply for M,S&G who have points that languish away. I would so enjoy to pass along my points to some youngster, new hunter or a longtime applicant hunter so these points do not just go away.
I do NOT expect anyone to agree. This I only my opinion. Plus, I believe this to truly be a “ can of worms”. MTG

I’d be buying points for both my parents and in-laws if it would transfer. I get what your saying but it would get so abused

 

[buffybr]

Montana use to have just a preference point system, but they dropped it in 1983 they said becaust their computers couldn't handle the large number of applicants and all of their preference points.

Then in 2000 they started their bonus point system so this year, the thousands of us who have faithfully bought a bonus point every year applied with 26 bonus points, squared, which puts each of us into the draw 676 times. Talk about a computer overload.

 

[Big Sky Guy]

Montana use to have just a preference point system, but they dropped it in 1983 they said becaust their computers couldn't handle the large number of applicants and all of their preference points.

Then in 2000 they started their bonus point system so this year, the thousands of us who have faithfully bought a bonus point every year applied with 26 bonus points, squared, which puts each of us into the draw 676 times. Talk about a computer overload.

Now we know the real driving force behind the AI push. Claude could prly do the drawing in about .8 seconds.

 

[cowboy]

We should just all be thankful they didn’t do preference

Why?

 

[cgasner1]

Why?

Because it wouldn’t matter how many points you have unless you’re in the top percentage. Big difference between preference and bonus

 

[T Chris]

Can of worms.

I have been applying for 22 years as of this year. I have enjoyed the anticipation only to find that my applications were unsuccessful. I have 22 bonus points this year. If I understand correctly these are MY points. Points that I should be able to do with as I see fit. It’s my understanding that I cannot gift these points to someone, resident or other. I cannot sell these points, I would NOT. But, if these points are mine and my M,S&G hunting days have come to an end I believe, my personal opinion only, I should be able to gift them to another resident only.
This may or may not be a differing opinion of many. But, this is my opinion, agree or not.
There should be some program where a point holder can pass along these points. This, in my opinion again, should be resident to resident. Resident family member or friend. It should be ILLEGAL to sell these points. There are many who have aged and no longer apply for M,S&G who have points that languish away. I would so enjoy to pass along my points to some youngster, new hunter or a longtime applicant hunter so these points do not just go away.
I do NOT expect anyone to agree. This I only my opinion. Plus, I believe this to truly be a “ can of worms”. MTG

Very respectfully, I think that would be a bad idea. We already have an issue with new and younger hunters joining the application pools vastly behind those that have been participating for decades before them. To allow inheritance of points would further exacerbate the problem. Instead of doubling down on a broken system, likely most of the states will need to eventually step back and transition to pure lotteries if they can be weaned from the monetary benefit of selling points. I know this won’t be popular, but hard choices rarely are.

 

[MTTW]

I hear people mention having max points in the drawing and I was thinking, every person with max points has had max points for 26 years without drawing.

I would be curious to know if their odds were better this year than the first year that they applied.

 

[cgasner1]

I hear people mention having max points in the drawing and I was thinking, every person with max points has had max points for 26 years without drawing.

I would be curious to know if their odds were better this year than the first year that they applied.

Probably significantly less given how much tags have had to be cut across all the big 3 and the increase in applications since you don’t have to put the money up front now

 

[Hem]

Probably significantly less given how much tags have had to be cut across all the big 3 and the increase in applications since you don’t have to put the money up front now

Yeah, the no money up front really effed things up.im sure many applicants have no business attempting 2 out of 3 anyway.

 

[Irishman]

Probably significantly less given how much tags have had to be cut across all the big 3 and the increase in applications since you don’t have to put the money up front now

I have maximum points and I calculate that my odds are much better than they used to be. Odds of drawing moose, sheep, goat were pretty bad before the points system. I'm not drawing anything still, but odds are better.

 

[Hem]

I have maximum points and I calculate that my odds are much better than they used to be. Odds of drawing moose, sheep, goat were pretty bad before the points system. I'm not drawing anything still, but odds are better.

Granted this was back in 1990, ...first year I put in for a moose tag I drew a tag for Sage creek area, Gallatin Canyon. I think the odds were better back then.

 

[brownbear932008]

Because it wouldn’t matter how many points you have unless you’re in the top percentage. Big difference between preference and bonus

Even then it's tough with such limited tag numbers in the case of big three tags. Preference points is the worst idea ever. Which is why almost every state has finally dropped that idea in recent years. Of coarse I'm just making a statement and know that you already realize this. I suspect one day in the next twenty years bonus points will have the same fate.

 

[Caseknife]

Preference points were great if you got in on the ground floor and only wanted to draw once, when it started. Now with a lot less tags to go around, even with max preference points in the states and units they apply, still could be a real long wait.

 

[Irishman]

Granted this was back in 1990, ...first year I put in for a moose tag I drew a tag for Sage creek area, Gallatin Canyon. I think the odds were better back then.

I calculated my odds of drawing the moose license I applied for this year to be about 1:10, without a point system about 1:100, back in 1993 (which I still have the regulations for) about 1:30. Other units will be different some of course. I'm glad of the points system even I haven't drawn yet, as I at least feel like I have a chance before I get too old.

 

[mtmuley]

Granted this was back in 1990, ...first year I put in for a moose tag I drew a tag for Sage creek area, Gallatin Canyon. I think the odds were better back then.

I wish for money up front and no points to come back. mtmuley

 

[DFS]

Moose tags 2006 610 vs 2026 312.

Sheep tags 2006 332 vs 2026 105.

Goat tags 2006 293 vs 180.

Fwp erases the data before that.

Pretty interesting trends and not surprising people aren’t drawing when you increase demand. Hopefully the trends change.