Montana Mule Deer Mismanagement

[brockel]

Has legitimately nothing to do with whats on the landscape - its laughable that people are dumb enough to draw conclustions from it.

I mean it shows there’s 20,000+ more non resident hunters on the landscape than there was 20 years ago with less accessible land than there was 20 years ago with about 20,000 less resident hunters so it shows a little

 

[Forkyfinder]

I mean it shows there’s 20,000+ more non resident hunters on the landscape than there was 20 years ago with less accessible land than there was 20 years ago with about 20,000 less resident hunters so it shows a little

For sure. My point is that its a LOT worse than that is showing.

I have a rifle or bow in my pickup everyday of hunting season, i often look over a state piece and some private in quick order on a coffee run for my wife as the sun comes up. Few times a week. By the states definition - each one of those is a "hunter day" and id be an "active hunter" if i did nothing but that.

 

[DFS]

@DFS i saw your comment earlier about r7 - wanted to share that my archery and rifle experiences were about the same in terms of numbers. The truth is there are too many NR hunters in regions 3/5 in all times.

Id say it was at least 1:1 for r:nr ratio, last weekend in an elk spot was 1:2 at least. So its not just R7 or mule deer, jmho. Its way too many hunters who dont live here. Everywhere.

All I know is R7 has gotten so bad people are writing songs about it.

 

[brockel]

For sure. My point is that its a LOT worse than that is showing.

I have a rifle or bow in my pickup everyday of hunting season, i often look over a state piece and some private in quick order on a coffee run for my wife as the sun comes up. Few times a week. By the states definition - each one of those is a "hunter day" and id be an "active hunter" if i did nothing but that.

Yep. I know a lot of people that buy a deer tag every year but don’t hardly go out anymore

 

[Forkyfinder]

Yep. I know a lot of people that buy a deer tag every year but don’t hardly go out anymore

Theres that - and quite a few people who dont go out at all if they dont draw their preferred LE permit for elk.

When they get a survey they will be specifically told:

"If you hunted at all that day it counts as a hunter day"

 

[Treeshark]

My point is that it’s a LOT worse than that is showing.

What do you think the actual ratio of R/NR big game hunters (deer and elk) is statewide?

*Actual individual hunters (not hunter days)

 

[Forkyfinder]

What do you think the actual ratio of R/NR big game hunters (deer and elk) is statewide?

*Actual individual hunters (not hunter days)

Are you planning to, or ever have, hunted MT?

 

[Treeshark]

So do you not know, or does reality not support your premise?

 

[Forkyfinder]

So do you not know, or does reality not support your premise?

I guess i dont really care to satisfy your opinion - especially when you dont/wont hunt here anyway.

 

[Treeshark]

From what I can gather from the FWP Executive Report, it appears to be roughly 4-to-1 R/NR.

 

[Song Dog 2224]

From what I can gather from the FWP Executive Report, it appears to be roughly 4-to-1 R/NR.

Come experience it sometime

 

[PoleX]

*BREAKING NEWS* FWP performed a study and concluded the obvious...We're making progress...maybe?

Montana study finds hunting regulations influence elk movement

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"Researchers tracked the elk for three years to better understand how hunting pressure and regulations affect their movements.

The study found elk moved toward less accessible private lands during early shoulder and archery seasons. However, more restrictive hunting regulations on publicly accessible lands appeared to draw elk back during the general hunting season.

Researchers say the findings could help wildlife managers keep elk on public lands and reduce conflicts with private landowners."

 

[SAJ-99]

I mean it shows there’s 20,000+ more non resident hunters on the landscape than there was 20 years ago with less accessible land than there was 20 years ago with about 20,000 less resident hunters so it shows a little

Sounds like NRs get counted because they make the mistake of getting out of the truck.