Montana draw

[8andcounting]

It’s not fair they aren’t re drawing for my rifle permit for 417 lol

I take that back they are they just aren’t entering me in it cuz I was smart enough to fill out the app correctly

 

[tjones]

Last year there were extra outfitter welfare tags, this year Hank’s oops.


Seems to be a trend for more

 

[Gerald Martin]

In some of the units where permits are issued for the messed up drawing it won’t have a negative impact over the original drawing since those units had higher quotas than there were applicants (447,595)

In the other affected units there will be an additional 10% of permits added to each hunt. That’s on top of the already expanded permit numbers from the last commission meeting.
In units 411, 417 and 799 there are going to be 10% more archery permits and 10% more rifle permits.

For example 799 is going to see @ 130 more hunters than the quota set before the draw. I think the ground effect is actually@ 30% more rifle hunters there than last year. Not sure what the difference will be for archery since there was no way of knowing how many of the 900 series permit holders hunted that unit.

Those applicants who get to redraw are almost certainly going to have much better odds for the additional 10% of permits than the applicants who didn’t draw in the first draw.

 

[rogerthat]

I take that back they are they just aren’t entering me in it cuz I was smart enough to fill out the app correctly

So you were unsuccessful but because you applied with just a first choice you aren’t eligible for the draw? I thought it was all unsuccessful and folks that were thrown out?

 

[8andcounting]

So you were unsuccessful but because you applied with just a first choice you aren’t eligible for the draw? I thought it was all unsuccessful and folks that were thrown out?

Yea I was unsuccessful on the permit , but I dunno . The way it reads says folks who “were removed” from the draw will be in a re draw

 

[DFS]

I dunno . The way it reads says folks who “were removed” from the draw will be in a re draw

Much better odds for the people who did not apply correctly how I read it.

 

[Point Creep]

After the 1000 quota, I expected the 799 archery hunt might be a real circus this year and didn’t apply. It is going to be a real circus.

 

[Gerald Martin]

Only those who applied incorrectly are eligible for the redraw.

 

[rogerthat]

I purposely didn’t put a second choice because I thought it would dq the app. This seems really unfair. Maybe I wanted to put a second choice now too

 

[Scott85]

Well there’s still hope…. I applied for 411-21 as my first choice and 700-21 as my second.

 

[Gerald Martin]

After the 1000 quota, I expected the 799 archery hunt might be a real circus this year and didn’t apply. It is going to be a real circus.

Edited- Fuzzy math.

 

[Doublecluck]

Only those who applied incorrectly are eligible for the redraw.

That was my exact thought, wtf? because I filled out my kids application right they don’t get entered in the redraw. Lol.

 

[BlazerBeam]

That was my exact thought, wtf because I filled out my kids application right they don’t get entered in the redraw. Lol.

Correct. You have to be a tard to get another chance.

 

[Gerald Martin]

Looks like some rough figures of @ 210-220 more permits given out among the units redrawing from the 10% addition.

That would mean at least a 10% chance of drawing. Probably much higher since everyone who applied for 411-21,447 and 595 are guaranteed a permit and won’t be in the second drawing.

 

[all ears]

Apps were not filled out 'incorrectly' according to the rules printed in the regs book. In general, people are not dumb. If the blame was all on the applicant FWP would not be acknowledging all of this.

 

[Point Creep]

When I applied for a 1st and only choice permit area. I only applied for one choice. WTF would I put a 2nd and 3rd choice down for? Maybe I'm weird that way.

 

[kwyeewyk]

I take that back they are they just aren’t entering me in it cuz I was smart enough to fill out the app correctly

I purposely didn’t put a second choice because I thought it would dq the app. This seems really unfair. Maybe I wanted to put a second choice now too

That was my exact thought, wtf? because I filled out my kids application right they don’t get entered in the redraw. Lol.

Serious question, and I have no skin in this game, but how did you all know they meant "first and only choice" when the regs clearly say "first choice only"?

 

[Point Creep]

Maybe because the entire change was to make it first and only choice, per the meetings and back and forth with FWP commission

 

[kwyeewyk]

Maybe because the entire change was to make it first and only choice, per the meetings and back and forth with FWP commission

Gee that kinda makes it an even bigger f u to the people who sat through meeting and paid attention but didn't get listened to?

 

[8andcounting]

Maybe because the entire change was to make it first and only choice, per the meetings and back and forth with FWP commission

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