Missing CO Hunters

[3855WIN]

Seems like Find my Phone would solve this problem when used with Starlink satellites.

Tough deal for the families waiting for news.

 

[DFS]

Maybe it has been discussed but what were the low temperatures getting to at night?

 

[isu22andy]

I was discussing with my friends OnyX should make a feature for searchers that you can “log in“ to the search effort and then your and everyone else’s track in that xx mile radius in the search effort show up so you can make a grid and see where people searched and grid it out .

 

[RealMuddyboots]

Wow

 

[brownbear932008]

For those familiar with the area, is it cliffy? I have a little bit of a hard time believing it could be a lightning strike but them still be unfound - I would think if they had been struck, they'd have to be in a somewhat open area and searchers/drones would have covered the openings and meadows already... But getting cliffed out in heavy fog could be believable. Flash floods are also a very real danger that has been mentioned in articles. One other could be falling trees - I've been in deadfall areas when storms start whipping wind and you hear trees cracking. Things can get western fast. Prayers that they're found safe.

The closest I've ever come to dying in the woods was in this unit dead timber everywhere. We had debris from huge falling trees going through our headlamps scared the absolute hell out of us during high wind..

 

[rjthehunter]

I was discussing with my friends OnyX should make a feature for searchers that you can “log in“ to the search effort and then your and everyone else’s track in that xx mile radius in the search effort show up so you can make a grid and see where people searched and grid it out .

Honestly, that could almost be done from 1 master account right now. Something similar to polaris ride command where you can see where your buddies are, but include tracks. We have the technology to do it.

I can hear the next presentation at the onx HQ... "OnX Rescue"

 

[3855WIN]

Maybe it has been discussed but what were the low temperatures getting to at night?

I saw 27 degrees for one night. Not sure for the rest. With the precipitation, hypothermia is certainly possible.

 

[GrantK]

I was discussing with my friends OnyX should make a feature for searchers that you can “log in“ to the search effort and then your and everyone else’s track in that xx mile radius in the search effort show up so you can make a grid and see where people searched and grid it out .

Assuming that the local SAR is using SARtopo that's exactly how it works: you scan a QR code at the command post and it gets you to the interactive map everyone is using, save your track and it uploads along with everyone else's. it's not quite updated in real time but assuming they are getting everyone searching to run a .GPX track the command people have a very good idea what has been searched...

 

[Westelker]

I just did that very thing while working about 3 weeks ago. Got in a hurry and left my inreach on the seat of the truck. Had the plot packet and rather than go back to the truck used the aerial imagery to navigate to my work site.

I have left my GPS in camp, binoculars, all sorts of stuff.

I could easily see them hearing a bugle or seeing elk, just get excited grab your bow and go.

I agree with Buzz. They got back to their truck hear a bugle, dropped everything but their bows and took off. 1st mistake. It's happened to a lot of us. This time the bugle was further than they thought. They wanted to hurry and close the distance fast because of the remaining light or wx. 2nd mistake. Having the immense desire to catch up to the bull, they forgot about their position, got messed up with the fog and cliffs and "cliffed out" or trapped. 3rd mistake. Not bringing rain gear or jackets could lead to hypothermia. 4th mistake. No matches or firestarter. 5th mistake. Speculations can go on and on. Hopefully, they found a warm cave to huddle, but by now they should have been found. Hope for a miracle. God bless their families and love ones!

 

[Scott85]

I was discussing with my friends OnyX should make a feature for searchers that you can “log in“ to the search effort and then your and everyone else’s track in that xx mile radius in the search effort show up so you can make a grid and see where people searched and grid it out .

Cal topo has that feature. It’s what my SAR teams uses when we go on a call.

 

[jls456]

I hope they are found safe.

 

[cedahm]

Not much of a new update, but it did hit me in the feels a little to see all these searchers rigs parked along the road in the picture these guys posted:

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[jvanhoy]

Not much of a new update, but it did hit me in the feels a little to see all these searchers rigs parked along the road in the picture these guys posted:

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Man this has been tough to follow. Reminds me a lot of Sand mountain probably 10ish years ago when they lost a hunter. Helicopters buzzing everywhere that year. Finally found him not to far from his camp deceased from altitude sickness. Sad deal. I hope it turns out better for these two

 

[schmalts]

I agree with Buzz. They got back to their truck hear a bugle, dropped everything but their bows and took off. 1st mistake. It's happened to a lot of us. This time the bugle was further than they thought. They wanted to hurry and close the distance fast because of the remaining light or wx. 2nd mistake. Having the immense desire to catch up to the bull, they forgot about their position, got messed up with the fog and cliffs and "cliffed out" or trapped. 3rd mistake. Not bringing rain gear or jackets could lead to hypothermia. 4th mistake. No matches or firestarter. 5th mistake. Speculations can go on and on. Hopefully, they found a warm cave to huddle, but by now they should have been found. Hope for a miracle. God bless their families and love ones!

They had been there a couple days and should know how to get out in the right state of mind. Maybe not to truck but to the road or lake. Like I mentioned it's a 4 mile drainage bowl that all leads to a lake. Possible they got hypothermia and went disoriented state and thinking about it more odds are that weather and darkness might have caused things to go south. Even without a lot of clothes if they got cold and wet a person in the right state of mind could hustle a couple miles to keep body temperature up but if it's dark and cloudy I can see panic setting in. Still hoping for good outcome but odds drop as days go by.

 

[Toneloc]

Haven't read all the comments, but was there lightning in the area when the storms rolled in? Wife mentioned that as a possible explanation last night and that one actually fits.

 

[seeth07]

Haven't read all the comments, but was there lightning in the area when the storms rolled in? Wife mentioned that as a possible explanation last night and that one actually fits.

It is now reported that they were spotted and hunting Friday midday now. I believe the theory of this was due to bad weather on Thursday so that rules that out now

 

[Rainer]

Is it in the realm of possibility that these guys bit of more then they can chew? They came from out east to hunt without the basic and correct knowledge on land nav or survival. I don't want to start an influencer debate again but, did these guys watch YouTube videos and think it's easy? I'm curious if these guys had a map and compass. Or if they now how to read a map and compass. Were they solely relying on their phones for navigation? I know it sounds harsh but it's been a week and the chances of survival are slim at this point

 

[Gulf of America]

I wonder if there's any chance they split up with one hunting from Spruce Hole trailhead and the other hunting from Rio de Los Pinos to meet up in the middle. They're a ways apart and looks like quite a lot of terrain in between, but it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility.

 

[wytex]

Is it in the realm of possibility that these guys bit of more then they can chew? They came from out east to hunt without the basic and correct knowledge on land nav or survival. I don't want to start an influencer debate again but, did these guys watch YouTube videos and think it's easy? I'm curious if these guys had a map and compass. Or if they now how to read a map and compass. Were they solely relying on their phones for navigation? I know it sounds harsh but it's been a week and the chances of survival are slim at this point

I thought I read they had been in Montana for a month hunting elk, not sure when, and were experienced elk hunters. Whatever that means.

 

[3855WIN]

One of the hunters had lived in Montana before moving to North Carolina, and had hunted elk in Montana.