Bigjay73
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Quit Fixating on Hardcore Hunting. We Need Casual Hunters, Too https://share.google/Fx8Bhs727UoPMNucr
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Gellar
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Ive only read the first paragraph and I couldn’t agree more.
duckhunt
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Was just thinking about this the other day. Whenever I headed west for a hunt I seem to feel stressed out about how things are going to go. I decided from now on I'm just going to relax and take it is as it comes.
Elkmagnet
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Good read.
I gained some refreshing perspective.
I gained some refreshing perspective.
This is spot on. My son and nephew are 12-13 they don’t have social media but watch YouTube. They are all in on any kind of hunting. I repeatedly have to tell them that most of those guys aren’t actually hunting they are trying to get views or sell a product.
I like to tinker around with arrows. I’m not a hardliner on total weight or speed, shoot what works. But if you go on there and watch a guy build an arrow the comments are almost like politics before an election.
If he builds a heavy arrow and likes it. Comments: You’re an idiot, you give up too much speed and gain nothing.
If he builds a light arrow: You’re an idiot, that thing is too light and will have no penetration.
Mid range arrow: you’re an idiot, pick a side and stick to it you fence sitting woosie.
I’m convinced 99% of these people do t even hunt or shoot, they just badger others online.
I like to tinker around with arrows. I’m not a hardliner on total weight or speed, shoot what works. But if you go on there and watch a guy build an arrow the comments are almost like politics before an election.
If he builds a heavy arrow and likes it. Comments: You’re an idiot, you give up too much speed and gain nothing.
If he builds a light arrow: You’re an idiot, that thing is too light and will have no penetration.
Mid range arrow: you’re an idiot, pick a side and stick to it you fence sitting woosie.
I’m convinced 99% of these people do t even hunt or shoot, they just badger others online.
SaskHunter
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Hunting has simply attracted the wrong crowd. Babes and lift-bro influencers and their followers. People who care more about image, how they look and portray themselves, than anything else. "Attractive" empty shells with zero content/personality.
It's like we've attracted all the over doers, fake competitive azzholes out there who want their moment of fame and have absolutely no shame in lying to achieve what they want. These influencers are the new "snake oil vendors", grifters who have zero shame.
But worse than them are their bootlicking followers who will defend them at all cost. How f<n sad and pathetic!
Hunting is about spending time outside and disconnecting from our busy life, to get back to a primal activity that a lot of us long for.
It's like we've attracted all the over doers, fake competitive azzholes out there who want their moment of fame and have absolutely no shame in lying to achieve what they want. These influencers are the new "snake oil vendors", grifters who have zero shame.
But worse than them are their bootlicking followers who will defend them at all cost. How f<n sad and pathetic!
Hunting is about spending time outside and disconnecting from our busy life, to get back to a primal activity that a lot of us long for.
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2rocky
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Was published in 2021....good reminder.
I think every activity that relies on AFTER-TAX income has to have a casual contingent to pay the majority of the expenses for the success that the competitive folks enjoy. Examples include :
Youth sports
Rodeo and Horse shows
Car/motorcycle clubs and racing
Target archery
etc....
It is the casual participant who pays more than they extract from the industry. At a Team roping jackpot the call them "donators".
One thing threatening youth sports is the demise of recreational focused leagues in favor of travel ball. More parents are getting priced out of sports since "little league " has turned into "Fall Ball" "Spring ball" and "Summer Ball"
I think every activity that relies on AFTER-TAX income has to have a casual contingent to pay the majority of the expenses for the success that the competitive folks enjoy. Examples include :
Youth sports
Rodeo and Horse shows
Car/motorcycle clubs and racing
Target archery
etc....
It is the casual participant who pays more than they extract from the industry. At a Team roping jackpot the call them "donators".
One thing threatening youth sports is the demise of recreational focused leagues in favor of travel ball. More parents are getting priced out of sports since "little league " has turned into "Fall Ball" "Spring ball" and "Summer Ball"
Laszlo Cravensworth
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Just read this yesterday.
The soaring price of youth sports: $50 to try out, $3,000 to play
Lindsey Rector added up the costs as she waited for her son to finish his baseball lesson. That was $60 a week right there. A new bat: $500. His club baseball team in Boynton Beach, Florida, and its three practices a week were $3,000 a year. Out-of-town tournaments cost extra. Last summer, the...
We're all investing way too much into our hobbies imo. These are casual things we do in our spare time for fun.
There has always been a lot of talk about the stages of a hunter. It was incredibly freeing when I graduated to hunting just for the experience vs the anxiety of filling every tag that I had when I was younger.
SaskHunter
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I have lots of acquaintances who have a lot of opinions about hunting but barely hunt, if at all... They all binge hunting media though...
Also, the cult of hunting personality is freaking weird and I even see here. People talk about hunting personalities or influencers they've never met like they're their close buddies and will back them down at all cost. Freaking odd, man!
Agreed. Crawling up an influencer’s (or even poster’s) rear is cringe- but HT is not immune by any means.
2rocky
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A few thoughts on influencers....bit of a tangent....
Remember Social media and the internet makes finding out information on your hobby way more accessible than it was 30 years ago. You can learn from experts nationally, even internationally on demand. Thanks to Facebook, Forums and You Tube the barrier to being an expert is low, if non-existent...
So you can learn a bunch of stuff from other people and regurgitate it, and develop a following and a reputation as an expert. It used to be if you read 6 books and devoted 10,000 hours to a skill you were legitimately an expert. With the right title, and educational background, you could do in-person consulting in your region or state. "the definition of an expert is someone from more than 200 miles away" Baxter Black
You don't have to pay to have a show on a TV network any more. You can stream live on Youtube, and get folks to subscribe to your Patreon. it is a great way for folks who might have been B-List in a small market to broaden their reach. Where We as the general population need to do our due diligence is to reward the folks who are truly TEACHING and not just profiteering prophets of the "word of the sport". We are prone as enthusiasiastic participants to look for someone who we put our faith in to make us better, and think it will make it more enjoyable.
We also are conditioned to get dopamine from second hand experiences we witness. Rooting for our favorite sports teams, watching extreme sports on tv, binge-watching tv series and now following internet influencers. I think once we commit to living life "first hand", it gets easier to look beyond the influencers. Our parents and grandparents had influencers too....Jack O'Conner, Robert Ruark, Ernest Hemingway, Elmer Keith and Peter Capstick wrote about distant places and inspired many folks to follow their own dreams hunting. But todays media is only a click away, not waiting for the monthly paper copy to arrive in the mail.
Remember Social media and the internet makes finding out information on your hobby way more accessible than it was 30 years ago. You can learn from experts nationally, even internationally on demand. Thanks to Facebook, Forums and You Tube the barrier to being an expert is low, if non-existent...
So you can learn a bunch of stuff from other people and regurgitate it, and develop a following and a reputation as an expert. It used to be if you read 6 books and devoted 10,000 hours to a skill you were legitimately an expert. With the right title, and educational background, you could do in-person consulting in your region or state. "the definition of an expert is someone from more than 200 miles away" Baxter Black
You don't have to pay to have a show on a TV network any more. You can stream live on Youtube, and get folks to subscribe to your Patreon. it is a great way for folks who might have been B-List in a small market to broaden their reach. Where We as the general population need to do our due diligence is to reward the folks who are truly TEACHING and not just profiteering prophets of the "word of the sport". We are prone as enthusiasiastic participants to look for someone who we put our faith in to make us better, and think it will make it more enjoyable.
We also are conditioned to get dopamine from second hand experiences we witness. Rooting for our favorite sports teams, watching extreme sports on tv, binge-watching tv series and now following internet influencers. I think once we commit to living life "first hand", it gets easier to look beyond the influencers. Our parents and grandparents had influencers too....Jack O'Conner, Robert Ruark, Ernest Hemingway, Elmer Keith and Peter Capstick wrote about distant places and inspired many folks to follow their own dreams hunting. But todays media is only a click away, not waiting for the monthly paper copy to arrive in the mail.
Gellar
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huntin24/7
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Having a kid in travel ball, I love this guy. He’s hilarious and not far off. Travel sports are kinda out of control in my opinion, not to derail the thread.
Irrelevant
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I agree with everything except that we need "more". I don't think we need anymore anythings or anyones. We have plenty of everything already (excluding common sense, patience, and ethics).
SaskHunter
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Damn, this hits hard! I got in an Twitter argument with one of those self-proclaimed "Open Source Int analyst/commentator" about missiles, mainly short range surface to air missiles. For context, I've been an ammunition and explosives specialist in the Army for 20 years. This is literally my job.
The guy was mixing land guided, surface to air, and air to air missile theory and data to fit his narrative. I simply corrected him and this guy quoted a YouTube video (made by him on his own YouTube channel) as source and reference for his statements. I got "owned" so hard by his fan boys, it was ridiculous. I was stating facts and correcting erroneous data, and this guy was doubling down and referencing his own "work", meanwhile his slough of followers were "destroying" me on Twitter.
When it comes to social media: actual expert < influencer
Ha! My daughter is in U9 hockey. The amount of tournaments and exhibition games 1+ hours away is ridiculous. 2 practices a week with 2 games at times... She's 7yo...
Gellar
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Its not my thread, but I do not think it derails it at all. It speaks to the point that Social media makes many people think they have to to be Hardcore, all in or all out, when in reality most hunters are only going out on weekends, not very far from home and they are never going to kill a boone and crockett whitetail deer; let alone finish the North American Big Slam with an atalatl. Most little leaguers are never going to play in Div III college let alone the MLB. Most parents realize this, yet they keep caving to the pressure. Kids think they have to pass on 125 inch deer because social media tells them they must but in reality they have never killed a squirrel.
I have tried to comment on some of the R3 threads on here about how we do not have more hunters, but we have more hardcore hunters, who are travelling to multiple states and doing what my hunting mentors would have considered a once in a lifetime hunt every year so it seems like we have more hunters in the west.
Bigjay73
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The pudgy dog? Yep
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I don't want more casual hunters; I want more areas to hunt with fewer people. I want it to be socially accepted and for people who are not hunters to advocate and think it's a great thing for others to do. More casual hunters may help, but won't necessarily stop us from losing public lands, winning conservation battles, or keeping hunting the way we all want it. Having neighbors, recreationalists, and politicians who support hunting and conservation, even if they are not casual hunters, is what I want and what I preach. More power to you if you're a "hardcore hunter" or a "casual hunter," just be a hunter that shows hunting in a positive and supportive light for your neighbors, friends, and that cat lady down the street.
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