If you drink US wine ... might want to watch this.

[noharleyyet]

Wine is no different than any other product from farming. It can be mass produced, ultra processed for the same thing year after year after year.

It can also be hand crafted, where every detailed is cared for and every year a unique result.

I love Loire Valley wines from France for this reason. It's not the giant estates from Bordeaux, it's not the crazy, nuance and esoteric details of burgundy, it's a bunch of rustic farmers that just live with the land year after year after year.

To an extreme there's Thierry Germain, he still plows his vineyards with a draft horse.

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Where does Morgan David 20%alc/20oz hit on the hoity toity gradient?

 

[Hem]

Should I be concerned with the Kirkland Chardonnay?
Gotta be a click better than our well water.

 

[Irrelevant]

Should I be concerned with the Kirkland Chardonnay?
Gotta be a click better than our well water.

NO shit right?
I have high iron and manganese, halfass attempt to treat both as manganese is linked to lower IQ in kids. Our property tested positive for lead arsenate (legacy orchard pesticide), lead is also associated with lower IQ, esp in kids, and arsenic with high cancer rates.

I think I'll take my risk with Kirkland pino gris, cab sauv, and red blends. I'll let you keep the chardonnay.

@jryoung, the worst wines I've ever had were "hand-crafted", same with beer. And there seems to be very little correlation between costs and drinkability. I've spent what feels like a bunch of money over the years on really crappy tasting wine.

 

[Hem]

NO shit right?
I have high iron and manganese, halfass attempt to treat both as manganese is linked to lower IQ in kids. Our property tested positive for lead arsenate (legacy orchard pesticide), lead is also associated with lower IQ, esp in kids, and arsenic with high cancer rates.

I think I'll take my risk with Kirkland pino gris, cab sauv, and red blends. I'll let you keep the chardonnay.

@jryoung, the worst wines I've ever had were "hand-crafted", same with beer. And there seems to be very little correlation between costs and drinkability. I've spent what feels like a bunch of money over the years on really crappy tasting wine.

My daughter made Dean's list first semester at MSU. She seems to be tracking aptitude wise. Chalk that up to her mother.
Im dumbing down. Could be attributed to any number of factors.
Wine is a balance of consumption and cost.

 

[Laszlo Cravensworth]

NO shit right?
I have high iron and manganese, halfass attempt to treat both as manganese is linked to lower IQ in kids. Our property tested positive for lead arsenate (legacy orchard pesticide), lead is also associated with lower IQ, esp in kids, and arsenic with high cancer rates.

I think I'll take my risk with Kirkland pino gris, cab sauv, and red blends. I'll let you keep the chardonnay.

@jryoung, the worst wines I've ever had were "hand-crafted", same with beer. And there seems to be very little correlation between costs and drinkability. I've spent what feels like a bunch of money over the years on really crappy tasting wine.

Looks like some Costco wine is produced by Gallo, others by smaller producers.

Being produced by Gallo isn't necessarily a bad thing. They have a massive selection, some of it pretty good and some of it atrocious.

I tend to prefer local wines though, which can be a bit of a slog finding what you like. I always say that the majority of Southern Oregon wine is between a C- and a B, but there are some B+ and As out there as well. But that's where the community impact is. Gallo will be fine as the wine industry declines. The small producers down the road are the the ones that are going to go under, and they're the ones that will donate to your fundraiser.

 

[gouch]

Where does Morgan David 20%alc/20oz hit on the hoity toity gradient?

Boy does that bring back some memories.

Not necessarily good ones.

 

[noharleyyet]

Boy does that bring back some memories.

Not necessarily good ones.

When you wanna be somewhere else & need to get there fast & cheap.

 

[jryoung]

@jryoung, the worst wines I've ever had were "hand-crafted", same with beer. And there seems to be very little correlation between costs and drinkability. I've spent what feels like a bunch of money over the years on really crappy tasting wine.

That's fair point regarding "hand crafted" I have experienced the same. There are so many inputs, it depends on who it's crafted by and their technical ability to create something that resembles it's incredients.

Drinkability is terribly suggestive. I can appreciate something well made, but if it's alcohol is tipping the scales at 15% and had more wood put to it than my Dad's old McCoullough chain saw it's not drinkable for my pallete. Same with off the charts IPAs or imperial stouts.

It took me a lot of years and a lot of tasting to find my stylistic preferences and a lot of money spent.

 

[jryoung]

Where does Morgan David 20%alc/20oz hit on the hoity toity gradient?

Mogan David #pinkyout