Idaho Wolf Hunting....?

[BigHornRam]

Nice documented Buzz flip flop A-con. He's right all the time.......just ask him! From an article in this mornings paper, Bangs was quoted as saying they may appeal to the 9th circuit, but it may be wiser to wait and argue the merits of the case when it goes to court. Molloy's mind seems to be made up IMO. The Clinton appointed Molloy is a favorite among enviromental activists over the years.

 

[BuzzH]

A-con,

The wolves were delisted...which you said would never happen.

They got relisted by injunction because of WY's lack of a plan.

That isnt a contradiction to what I said...or what you said.

Please show me where I ever said once they were delisted they would never be RELISTED.

If you care to open your eyes, you'd of read that one of my major concerns with WY's plan was that wolves would be relisted if their plan failed.

I'll refresh your memory...you said they would NEVER be delisted...and you WHERE wrong about that...as usual.

 

[A-con]

A-con,

The wolves were delisted...which you said would never happen.


I'll refresh your memory...you said they would NEVER be delisted...and you WHERE wrong about that...as usual.

No Buzz, I never said that. (once again, you are wrong and I am righthump)

I have maintained all along, for over four years, that the process would get delayed and tied up in the courts until after the next presidential election. I have offered you a bet regarding that time line at least a dozen times, and the offer still stands.

The people who want to keep wolves on the endangered list don’t give a rats azz about Wyoming’s plan, or any other plan. It’s just a means to an end. If Wyoming dropped their current plan, and adopted the Idaho plan tomorrow the anti’s would just file another suite, and keep filing and shopping until they found a Disneyland judge to stop the hunts and protect the wolves. You are sadly mistaken if you think all Judges adhere to the letter of the law. That’s called a constructionist legal point of view, and it’s a very conservative/republican ideal, welcome to the club.

 

[BigHornRam]

A few points for Buzz to chew on.

The wolfies filed suit to stop delisting in the Midwest states, even though state management plans called for no wolf hunts for a minimum of 5 years.

Molloy would have issued an injunction day one if Wyoming's plan was the problem. The 3 states were quickly coming upon wolf hunting season. Molloy had to shit or get off the pot. He choose to shit........

 

[1_pointer]

I'd say Molly is choosing "discrestion as being the better part of valor" on this one. He wants to make sure he gets it right so as to to be overturned later. I'd say that is a very important deal for judges. Likewise, the amount information required to show 'harm' in order to get an injunction/stay is much lower than the amount needed to get a ruling in your favor.

PS- If the appealants win I bet the amount of EAJA fees asked for will be staggering...

 

[BigHornRam]

That was Kokanee Gold, in bottles SS

Oak, Schmaltz and Buzz's buddy is quoted in the article........

No decision to appeal delisting gray wolf
By MATT JOYCE of the Associated Press



CHEYENNE, Wyo. - Supporters of the federal government's removal of gray wolves from the endangered species list said Friday that they haven't decided whether to appeal a Missoula judge's preliminary decision to relist the wolves.

Lawyers for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, the states of Wyoming, Montana and Idaho and representatives of several sportsmen and agriculture groups met in a teleconference to discuss their options in response to last week's ruling by U.S. District Judge Donald Molloy.

Molloy issued a preliminary injunction restoring endangered species protections for gray wolves in the Northern Rockies. Environmentalists sought the injunction as part of a lawsuit against the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service over the agency's decision to remove the wolves from the endangered species list in March.


Wyoming Attorney General Bruce Salzburg said Friday's closed meeting included discussion of appealing the preliminary injunction to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals or proceeding to a final hearing in the case before Molloy. The Fish and Wildlife Service has not reached a decision about recommending an appeal of the preliminary injunction, he said.

“Therefore, while each of the participants expressed its views regarding the pros and cons of either path, no final decision was made,” Salzburg said.

Bob Lane, chief legal counsel for the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife and Parks, said about 15 to 20 people participated in the conference call.

“Really it could be characterized as preliminary discussion among the parties about their initial views on strategies of where to go from here since the decision of Judge Molloy was adverse to us,” he said.

Salzburg said earlier this week that the 9th Circuit Court is currently taking between 15 months and 32 months to issue decisions after an appeal is filed.

“So unless the court were to advance this issue in the calendar, an appeal now would put it in limbo for at least 15 months,” Salzburg said Wednesday. “In the meantime, we could get this case to hearing on the merits in a much quicker time frame.”

Wyoming Gov. Dave Freudenthal has said that appealing the injunction may not be the best strategy in this case.

“The best strategy, both in terms of time and outcome may be for us to go through these deliberations and decide, let's just get to the merits (of the case),” Freudenthal said Wednesday.

Lane said Friday that the various interveners in the case, including the three states and 10 other special interest groups, would like to reach a consensus on their next course of action, but there's no requirement that they act in unison.

Don Peay, who participated in Friday's meeting as a representative of Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife, said his group hasn't decided whether to support an appeal of the preliminary injunction, but that the “time bomb's ticking.”

“I know this much, that every day that wolves aren't managed there's a greater destruction of elk herds and deer herds,” he said. “It just has an increasing devastating impact on game populations and license sales for game and fish agencies and the whole hunting industry.”

 

[shoots-straight]

you have to wait a while for your nasty tasting chit brew. We have a one year buffer remember. You know that the worst you can do is tie. I was so close.

Sounds like these morons don't know what to do. It's not rocket science, appeal now!

 

[JoseCuervo]

No judge will accelerate the appeal. There is no urgency requiring the court to act. As proven by the inbred rednecks in Wyoming the Judge was correct in shutting down the slaughter of wolves the delisting caused.

 

[TLC]

some more to chew on. sorry, bad pun.

Wolves kill six hunting dogs near Kamiah

By Associated Press

http://www.2news.tv/news/local/25857134.html

KAMIAH (AP) - Members of a northern Idaho family say six of their prized Walker hounds were killed in confrontations with wolves during a hunting excursion.

Members of the Schilling family, of Kamiah, say the dogs were killed Sunday in the Smith Ridge area during a run to track down bears.

The dog's owners returned to the area Tuesday to document the attack with a trapper from the Federal Wildlife Services agency.

George Fischer, a conservation officer for the Idaho Department of Game and Fish, says the best way to avoid wolf attacks on hounds is to stay as close to the dogs as possible.

thinking ole george has never tried keeping up with a walker when its trailing something.

 

[Oak]

TLC, sounds like the cost of doing business to me.

 

[TLC]

Oak, not sure I agree with that as they never, or seldom had this problem before. not from there, but it caught my eye since I bear hunt in that area. seems like the wolves, as has been said many times, are over running the place.

know when we were there in may, the boy saw more wolves than bears. not sure thats a good thing for anyone.