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Millsworks

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Alot of bullets are designed for much better penetration than the SST. Accubond, is great all around bullet. Most will agree with that.
Put a ballistic gell test of the Accubond up against the Hornady ELD-X , Nosler BT ( big game not varmit), and the SST.
They all fragment quite a bit at less than 150yrds.
Yes penetration is better with the Accubond and the ELD-X.
But the question you have to answer is, just how much penetration do you need?
A bullet that passes completely through game takes alot of it's energy with it as it goes on to who knows where.
The bullet that goes in 4-8", expands completely, and sheds petals of shrapnel in multiple directions, does so while dumping all those ft. pounds of energy into the animal.
Not that a complete pass through is bad. If shooting long distance, 400+ , the extra penetration will likely be needed to get deep enough.
But at less, it's really wasted energy. In reality the end result is a dead animal regardless of the bullet on most game out to 400yrds.
But, many times the fast expansion, and energy dump all at the same time, will result in a quick kill with no blood trail.
The likely distance to the game and the body density of that game will be what makes the want or lack there of for a dense bonded bullet.
If you need a Particular type or brand of bullet to be more confident, there is nothing wrong with that.
But under 400yds I don't think there is anything wrong with the SST.

I feel pretty sure a glass marble going 2,000+ fps is gonna kill most animal it hits in the boiler room.
To each his own.
For the record I only hunt with glass marbles with my sling shot.
And mostly for rabbits.
 

Tufrthnails

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Alot of bullets are designed for much better penetration than the SST. Accubond, is great all around bullet. Most will agree with that.
Put a ballistic gell test of the Accubond up against the Hornady ELD-X , Nosler BT ( big game not varmit), and the SST.
They all fragment quite a bit at less than 150yrds.
Yes penetration is better with the Accubond and the ELD-X.
But the question you have to answer is, just how much penetration do you need?
A bullet that passes completely through game takes alot of it's energy with it as it goes on to who knows where.
The bullet that goes in 4-8", expands completely, and sheds petals of shrapnel in multiple directions, does so while dumping all those ft. pounds of energy into the animal.
Not that a complete pass through is bad. If shooting long distance, 400+ , the extra penetration will likely be needed to get deep enough.
But at less, it's really wasted energy. In reality the end result is a dead animal regardless of the bullet on most game out to 400yrds.
But, many times the fast expansion, and energy dump all at the same time, will result in a quick kill with no blood trail.
The likely distance to the game and the body density of that game will be what makes the want or lack there of for a dense bonded bullet.
If you need a Particular type or brand of bullet to be more confident, there is nothing wrong with that.
But under 400yds I don't think there is anything wrong with the SST.

I feel pretty sure a glass marble going 2,000+ fps is gonna kill most animal it hits in the boiler room.
To each his own.
For the record I only hunt with glass marbles with my sling shot.
And mostly for rabbits.
Thanks and yes what you said about dumping every last bit of energy into the animal is exactly why I love the SST for Ky whitetails I generally recover the core near or on the skin of the offside. I pretty much get ugly exits on FL whitetails. But it flat puts KY bucks down in their tracks. You've given me something to think about. I'm super comfortable and have the utmost confidence that when I pull the trigger with my SSTs I will hit where I am aiming and shot location is very important, which is one reason I was looking to close the group size on the noslers.
 

Dougfirtree

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Hahahahahaha! Thanks man needed a laugh today. I'd be more comfortable with the SSTs if I only had a mule deer tag, but I have a bear tag in my hand also. I was hoping for the extra penetration. I ordered some accubonds today. I've got a few months before the hunt so I got time to load a few tests. Jump test is up next for the partitions when I get off work this week.
You'll never regret using accubonds. They are the gold standard for lead hunting bullets, in my opinion.
 

Brian in Montana

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You'll never regret using accubonds. They are the gold standard for lead hunting bullets, in my opinion.
I would tend to agree with this, generally.

However, I'm developing a real appreciation for Federal Trophy Bonded Tip. My best loads in .308 are with this bullet. I think the design is great. The only thing I've shot with it was a mid-sized bear, but it certainly did what it ought at 250yds.
 

sn.outdoors

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I'm honestly not sure why you don't feel confident with the 150SST. Bear and deer are not tough animals, and the 270 isn't pushing the bullet fast enough for a total failure (unless you get a sub 100yd shot). ALso, the 150SST has good sectional density, so it can handle loosing a few grains off the front of the bullet while still managing good penetration.

I suggest reading the Ballistics Research article to learn more about that specific cartridge/bullet combo https://www.ballisticstudies.com/Knowledgebase/.270+Winchester.html

"For best results, the 150 grain SST should be annealed in candle flame (see 7mm Rem mag). Once softened, the reloader has in his or her possession, an excellent all round bullet. Wounding is outstanding, penetration is outstanding (for a conventional cup and core design) and performance on game is uniform from point blank out to around 450 yards. The annealed 150 grain SST is suitable for a wide range of animals from the lightest and leanest of game through to heavily shielded Boar. This really is a go-to load for the .270 but for best results, needs to be loaded to 2900fps and above, which in most cases requires a chronograph to monitor performance."

I say go with what has worked well for you in the past.
 

Millsworks

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I'm not to convinced that the so called annealing of a bullet works any better. In the case of the SST, the heat needed to get it hot enough to have any affects, would have to melt the tip.
Maybe on non tipped bullets.
But that's something I have never even considered trying.
Basically trying to bond the core with heat.
To each their own though.
 
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