Carrying on Campus??

[idnative1948]

Would I send my kids to Idaho for higher education? I am having a tough time with this.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2014/03/12/3076771/otter-signs-campus-guns-bill-into.html

 

[Nemont]

Honestly do you think they are in more danger due to this? You are not thinking clearly about risk.

They have almost an equal chance to be a victim of gun violence whether students are allowed to carry or not. Ask the people at Va Tech if they were safe from gun violence due to no carry rules. Bad people do bad things, period.

More college kids die in drunk driving accidents every year then are killed by gun violence and we still put them in cars and send them off.

Nemont

 

[MKotur325]

Personally I call that a Win for Idaho!! I fought for a bill like that when I was at MSU. Were I legally allowed to carry at MSU I would have.

 

[roadhunter]

Honestly do you think they are in more danger due to this? You are not thinking clearly about risk.

They have almost an equal chance to be a victim of gun violence whether students are allowed to carry or not. Ask the people at Va Tech if they were safe from gun violence due to no carry rules. Bad people do bad things, period.

More college kids die in drunk driving accidents every year then are killed by gun violence and we still put them in cars and send them off.

Nemont

Excellent points.

 

[nidahunter]

When I was at U of I we had guns in our dorm rooms all year, but especially during hunting season. And guess what, no one died. The people that are trained to use firearms and have legal licenses to carry are not the people you need to worry about. In fact they may even save lives if a criminal started shooting.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Honestly do you think they are in more danger due to this? You are not thinking clearly about risk.

They have almost an equal chance to be a victim of gun violence whether students are allowed to carry or not. Ask the people at Va Tech if they were safe from gun violence due to no carry rules. Bad people do bad things, period.

More college kids die in drunk driving accidents every year then are killed by gun violence and we still put them in cars and send them off.

Nemont

I would respectfully disagree. Allowing college students to carry could substantially increase the incidents of gun violence. If all campuses were dry and there were never any incidents of boozy buffoonery, then sure. We all know that college kids show some startling bad decision making when it comes to alcohol. Adding guns to the mix would be a bad idea.

 

[2rocky]

When I was at U of I we had guns in our dorm rooms all year, but especially during hunting season. And guess what, no one died. The people that are trained to use firearms and have legal licenses to carry are not the people you need to worry about. In fact they may even save lives if a criminal started shooting.

If I remember right, there was a rule about requiring them to be put in storage at the Wallace complex. Most of us interpreted that as "don't ask, don't Tell". I never had to comply since I was in a frat, then in an apartment. 1992-1997

Firearms are not allowed in any Residence Hall Facility. Firearms and weapons are defined in the Student Code of Conduct. A storage area is provided through the campus police sub station. Check with your RA or University Residences for details . Any item used in the act of intimidation or harassment may be confiscated or banned from a residential facility. Failure to abide by this fire arms policy may result in immediate eviction.

 

[TheShootist.41]

Idnative,
I don't disagree with any of the responses specifically, but I did notice that no one asked exactly what it is that you are havingtrouble with. Not trying to bad mouth anyone just trying to clarify. There have been some good points made and some that I would maybe question if I understood more of where they are coming from. That being said what specifically are you struggling with?

 

[npaden]

I would respectfully disagree. Allowing college students to carry could substantially increase the incidents of gun violence. If all campuses were dry and there were never any incidents of boozy buffoonery, then sure. We all know that college kids show some startling bad decision making when it comes to alcohol. Adding guns to the mix would be a bad idea.

The way I'm reading this, the majority of the gun carrying folks will be professors and other employees of the university, not students. And for the few college students that go through the time and effort to get an enhanced concealed carry permit they are probably a bit less likely to be involved in the incidents of boozy buffoonery if you want my opinion.

The big concern is that they are allowing retired law enforcement officers the ability to carry concealed on campus. You all know how terrible that could be.

P.S. - even with the new law students still can't have guns in their dorm rooms. It sounds like a big step toward a safer campus to me.

 

[Ben Lamb]

The way I'm reading this, the majority of the gun carrying folks will be professors and other employees of the university, not students. And for the few college students that go through the time and effort to get an enhanced concealed carry permit they are probably a bit less likely to be involved in the incidents of boozy buffoonery if you want my opinion.

The big concern is that they are allowing retired law enforcement officers the ability to carry concealed on campus. You all know how terrible that could be.

P.S. - even with the new law students still can't have guns in their dorm rooms. It sounds like a big step toward a safer campus to me.

My mind would certainly change if there were adequate regulation of carrying on campus.

I just get a little nervous at the thought of a drunk kid running around campus with a pistol. You know?

 

[nidahunter]

2rocky,I was on campus in 1987. That was just about the time that they were starting to require them be in a safe in the complex, but you are right, we didnt tell and the hall leader didnt really care. I think they got real serious about it the following year.

 

[MKotur325]

I just get a little nervous at the thought of a drunk kid running around campus with a pistol. You know?

Do you think that the folks who are plastered 24/7 at college are going to be the type of students who will go to the state and apply for a CWP? I would wager that they don't. Stupid people are going to do stupid stuff regardless of the laws that are in place, but allowing responsible people to carry on campus isn't a bad idea in my mind.

 

[Nemont]

Ben,

Have you read the law?
http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2014/S1254.pdf

http://www.collegedrinkingprevention.gov/statssummaries/snapshot.aspx

1,825 college kids a year get killed due to drunken buffoonery.

How many get killed with guns?

http://www.armedcampuses.org/

Do Utah and Colorado have more problems with gun violence on campus then say Florida? Highly doubt that is the case.

Think clearly about risk and this law does almost zero to increase the risk of dying by a gun related incident.

Now those same kids with alcohol and cars are truly lethal weapons yet we turn them loose anyway.

Nemont

 

[smarandr]

My take on this is that it's nothing more than an election year stunt for legislators to up their conservative street cred. This will be fresh in the minds of the electorate as the go to the polls in May for the primaries; which for the vast majority of seats is the real election.

 

[Sytes]

My take on this is that it's nothing more than an election year stunt for legislators to up their conservative street cred. This will be fresh in the minds of the electorate as the go to the polls in May for the primaries; which for the vast majority of seats is the real election.

If it represents what the majority seek to vote into office - seems only a "stunt" to those in opposition of the legislator(s).

 

[smarandr]

Idaho politics is mostly about who can best emulate the AM radio dogma. So, in an election year I think it's definitely a stunt when you set to work passing a bill that nobody was asking for and for which testimony was overwhelmingly in opposition to.

 

[idnative1948]

Guys, some of you took me totally wrong. So my bad.
I am more concerned about parents of out of state students thinking we are a bunch of gun toting hicks.
"Hell no, you are not going there, people have guns!!"
That is where I am coming from. Too many anti folks are going to run with this.

 

[poco]

When my daughters went to college, I set them up with the kimber pepper spray. I dont have a problem with carrying, but I thought that if a mistake or accident was made, with pepper spray, everyone would still wake up the next morning. Seems like everyone has a little to much fun and can get really stupid at least once, and get the wrong room, apartment etc. When I went to school (MSU 74) I kept my rifle in the trunk of my car, mainly because most of our dorm room doors were open most of the time and didnt have enough control of who was in and out. that was my personal choice.

 

[idnative1948]

Very valid points poco.

When my daughters went to college, I set them up with the kimber pepper spray. I dont have a problem with carrying, but I thought that if a mistake or accident was made, with pepper spray, everyone would still wake up the next morning. Seems like everyone has a little to much fun and can get really stupid at least once, and get the wrong room, apartment etc. When I went to school (MSU 74) I kept my rifle in the trunk of my car, mainly because most of our dorm room doors were open most of the time and didnt have enough control of who was in and out. that was my personal choice.

 

[Sytes]

When my daughters went to college, I set them up with the kimber pepper spray. I dont have a problem with carrying, but I thought that if a mistake or accident was made, with pepper spray, everyone would still wake up the next morning. Seems like everyone has a little to much fun and can get really stupid at least once, and get the wrong room, apartment etc. When I went to school (MSU 74) I kept my rifle in the trunk of my car, mainly because most of our dorm room doors were open most of the time and didnt have enough control of who was in and out. that was my personal choice.

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We have several kimber pepper guns around our house and in our cars. Those are great! Highly recomend them to anyone.