Canned hunts...

[Moosie]

Is a canned hunt the same as a fenced hunt ? Or whats your definition of one ?

What's the difference between a canned hunt and a WELL outfitted one ?

Would Turners ranch be considered a Canned hunt ?

Speak to me ya Anti Ranch hunters

 

[Washington Hunter]

A canned hunt would be a guaranteed kill. You pay for it, you kill it. No chance that you're not going to be succesful. If for some reason you don't kill something, then you don't have to pay. It's not hunting, it's buying an animal. It would be cheaper to go to a rancher and buy a cow or a pig, and let him kill it for you. You'd have meat in the freezer at about 1/10th of the cost. I suppose the easiest way to identify a canned hunt, is the animals are privately owned. And therefore you do not need any type of license from the state. That's all I have to say Moosie, and I'm not gonna argue about it this time. And I know you know that I'm right, you just won't admit it.

 

[Thumper]

I have hunted 2 places behind the wire 1 in New Zealand, and 2 North America. I have also visited other places I would consider canned hunts and left in the same day.
My definition is that if the animal has the ability to elude the shooter and no 100% succes rate exsist then it may be behind the wire, but a fair chase trip. Thus precluding it from a canned hunt.

I have also visited places from lack of knowledge that was almost like a zoo! You ride around in a jeep, glass the game you want to wack, agree on a price and away you go. Now that is a canned hunt.
Thumper

 

[Moosie]

Washington hunter.. Seems every post you make is about how cheap it would be to buy the meat instead of going to a ranch. I'm guessing you don't comprehend people with money, Nothing against that but not every one hunts for the meat. I'm one of them. That still doesn't make it wrong. Just to the people that puss's and don't admit it. And, unlike your "OPINION< that statement is a FACT !!!

Greeny, were those hunts All bow hunts ? Just wondering how not a Guarentee it would be if they had Rifles...And, how many passed up bulls because they wanted BIGGER Racks, and didn't care becasue $12,500 is pocket change for some..... Also, how many of them gave a Lick of Shit about the meat. Not saying that some didn't eat it, but how many Went there hoping to get a elk steak

Acording to Washington hunter, they could have saved $12,500 and just went to a farmer and bought a cow, Because thats what hunters that have to pay could do instead of dropping $12,500 for a hunt

Thumper, sup bro, long time no see. I agree that some hunts are easier then others.

 

[Point Creep]

Those were bow hunts Moosie, rifle hunts are cake on those places and are around 95% success. Even so, specific animals can get away. Most dudes will end up with a decent bull because there will be plenty of opportunities. They paid before they hunted and had to follow all the state game laws.

Nobody pays 12,500 for some meat. They are paying for the experience of hunting a really good area, similar to having a permit in Arizona or Nevada. I sure don't hunt for the meat, but it's an added bonus.

I highly doubt most of the dudes that hunt places like the one we are talking about would consider dropping as much as 5 dollars to walk into a typical MT game farm and drop a 400" bull. There is a huge difference.

 

[Moosie]

I think the huge difference is there buddies would laugh due to people bashing "game-ranches" and the typical sterio type that hunt them... doesn't make it any "WRONG~er"

 

[Washington Hunter]

Moosie, that is true, not everybody hunts for meat. But it just seems to me that if you go on a canned hunt, you are buying meat. That's only because that is all I would get out of it, personally. The guys that go on that type of thing, maybe they think they really are hunting, and they go home and brag about what a challenge it was. I don't know. I just don't understand that type of mentality I guess. One thing to think about, if you've ever seen these polls done, of whether people agree with hunting or not, most people don't have a problem with it if the the hunter is hunting for the meat. The approval rate goes way down when they are asked if they agree with "trophy hunting." I realize these people don't know jack shit about hunting, but how do you think the general public is going to feel about stocking a fenced area with game and then charging so-called hunters to come and shoot an animal? And do you think that type of thing makes hunters look like decent human beings in the eye of the average person that doesn't know shit about hunting? I don't.

 

[Moosie]

OK.. I'm going to look like you guys with these quotes but Here I go

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> But it just seems to me that if you go on a canned hunt, you are buying meat. That's only because that is all I would get out of it, personally. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If I went on a Canned hunt, I'd be buying Horns or Antlers. Not meat. I'd also be buying a Fun and great time with friends. Just like if I Bought the Aid of an Outfitter, or went for FREE with another hunting buddy. Hunting is what ya make it, to me it has to be fun. And should be successfull. Thats why I hunt.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>and they go home and brag about what a challenge it was.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HAHA.. How many guys do you know that have been hunting and Got lucky and Bragged about it. NO-ONE tells you thewy walked in and Just shot a 200 class buck with NO effort... Even if it was. There are a few true "GOOD" hunters, the rest of us are lucky, Just because I shoot a 300+ bull in Montana like I did last year doesn't make me a GOOD hunter, it jsut means I went with someone that knows how and where to hunt.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> I just don't understand that type of mentality I guess. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HELL, I've hunted "CANNED" hunts. Read what I type, thats a good start to understanding. But like most NON-hunters, hunters that don't like canned hunts don't ever try to understand.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> And do you think that type of thing makes hunters look like decent human beings in the eye of the average person that doesn't know shit about hunting? I don't. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HELL WA, thats funny !!! Any type of hunting is looked at as bad to a non-hunter. Like you said, people that don't hunt don't understand us, and accept that we as hunters hunt for meat and they think it's OK... But, I'll tell you that I know hundreds of people that would rather shoot a 6 point bull and loose the meat then a cow elk and keep the meat. And those people would tell you they hunt for the meat... But usually cuz they can't kill nothing BIG

Remember, just because someone hunts behind the fence doesn't make them a bad shot, a lazy hunter, a rich basterd, and an Unethical fool. I'll go toe to to with 95% of the people here on any of those areas.

 

[Oak]

"Moosie carefully chooses his bait, lets out plenty of line, and begins trolling. Soon he sees the rise of the elusive WH! He takes a deep breath and sets the hook. The fight is on...!"

Oak

 

[dgibson]

Greenie makes a very good point. How'd that happen?

 

[Moosie]

AMEN !!! Dgibson can see it too.... Greeny made a good point...

Although, that being said.....

There was 16 of us that went to texas last year from this board, and it was a "FENCED", "CANNED", "MEAT" hunt, yet not everybody got an Animal....

MAybe sometimes there is 2 sides to a point, yet we choose to only see one ?

 

[Point Creep]

Moosie, I don't know much about Texas farm exotics, etc..

But I do know the MT elk ranches were sure things. I saw the tape of that Texas hunt you are talking about.. and although a few of the people on that tape may have been challenged, they'd of eventually got thier elk on a game farm like the ones that existed here in MT.

After reading several of the proposed bills from the angry MT game farmers recently, I hope they not only go completely out of business, but preferably have to choose between pimping out thier wives/daughters and starvation. I wouldn't support those types of pricks with any money ever. I highly doubt visiting one of those farms to whack an elk is really that much of a fun time. I sure wouldn't feel good about myself doing that.

 

[Moosie]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> I wouldn't support those types of pricks with any money ever. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So... it's the RICH elk owners you don't like ?

HEHE, I forgot ya watched that tape

 

[Point Creep]

Moosie, actually I don't know of any rich game farmers or elk owners, and that has nothing to do with it. They are the folks trying to get the MT FWP to give them millions in welfare money... And MT FWP gets their money from me, when I buy hunting licenses.

I realize this may be confusing to some, but I think it's pretty straight forward.

 

[Point Creep]

This year, Turner's smaller ranch went one for three on elk. The bigger ranch went two for eight. They all had to pay 12,500 plus licenses and travel, regardless of whether they took home a bull or not. The hunting is good, but not guarenteed.

I don't know of any elk farm in MT that wasn't 100% on the bull of your choice when they were running canned elk hunts. You put a bull elk in 1,000 acres and it's a guarenteed kill.

 

[1_pointer]

To me hunting is pursuing and hopefully killing a free range animal. I consider free range as the animal can go where it wants, when it wants.

I don't consider high fence (or other was of restraining animals) operations hunting, but sport or just shooting.

I understand that this may not be the Websters New World Dictionary definition of hunting.

I'd argue with Moosie, but just can't. Competiting in the Special Olympics would be harder!!!

 

[Lostagain]

Moosie=== Game farms/ canned hunting, floats their boats, no big deal.
I agree with greenie tho about it shouldn't be sportsmen dollars overseeing them.
I would rather have private game farms with privately owned elk catering to these big money folks than to see OUR public elk sold.

 

[Point Creep]

Lostagain, I hate to once againg ask you a severely confusing question.. but what is your definition of public elk being "sold?"

How is that worse than having game farms?

When you go and "buy" your hunting license, is that "selling" an elk?

 

[Dick Reece]

Guys,

I am not for or against canned hunts, I say to each his own.My definition of a canned hunt is anything either fenced in or so tame and docile anyone could shoot it [some exotics come to mind].Most of the time I'm so broke I can't pay attention, but if I had a pile of money I wouldn't waste it on a canned hunt.

Moosie, some of us aren't as good as you or others at hunting ,I don't know what you've killed on game farms or public land,and personally it doesn't amount to a hill of beans to me. But when you infer that meat hunters say they're meat hunters because they can't kill a trophy,that ain't right.I have had a few opportunities,but they were fleeting or I blew the shot.No big deal in my eyes, it's all a part of hunting. I hunt for the fun of hunting,as you said,and for the meat.I could care less whether it's a world class buck or bull,or a spike yearling.
If I go ever get to go out west, here's one man that'd rather kill a cow elk and bring home the meat,than a bull elk with nothing but antlers to show for it.If I had a choice between killing an 8 point or a spike,like any man I'd kill the 8,unless I knew I couldn't have the meat. I generally kill whatever God chooses to send my way.If that's why I haven't killed a trophy yet,so be it.I wouldn't waste the money having a trophy mounted either,but that's my preference,just as you have yours

.10 years ago I'd have done it in a heartbeat,but I guess I've mellowed over the years,and sorted through my priorities. That's all any of it is anyway,a matter of personal priorities.I think everyone should have one common priority,that's having fun.The rest of it just doesn't matter.

For me there is nothing more exciting than hunting on well hunted public land and pursuing something that's used to being pursued.All the deer and turkey where I hunt are educated and used to pressure,unless they're yearlings or jakes.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ 04-08-2003 14:36: Message edited by: PC Mechanic ]</font>

 

[JoseCuervo]

How about this for an analogy?

Canned Hunts are equal to Brothels. Some people go for fun, some go for the sure thing. Some go for conveinence, some go for the big rack...

But, just like a canned hunt, don't comeback trying to impress people with your skill, just say you had a good time, and fond memories....

I know of one guy, who showed up in our Elk camp one time, who later went on a canned hunt in Utah, for a big bull. He is a big DU supporter, and when we were Elk hunting, most days he didn't get out of camp, but just drank, and tried to impress us with stories. Well, he dropped a load of $$$ on a canned hunt, and now has a big bull on the wall. I am sure the story changes, and the fences dissappear in the story now, and maybe even in his memory, it was a legit hunt. He is happy, his taxidemist is happy, and his buddies are impressed. Those of us who would have had to pack anything he tipped over when he hunted with us, just laugh at him, and the stories about him.......