Boundary waters under attack

[Gellar]

It is not clear to me if they actually runs it, but certainly, they are strongly connected to it. I say that because I rented a boat from Latourel ast year and still paid the portage operator cash out of my pocket. Seems like I would have paid them directly at the time I rented the boat if they were the owners.

I worked for them 20 years ago They used to be a concessionaire through the forest service. Jeep latourell was the founder of their lodge but Bob and his sisters had taken it over. One of the sisters ran the portage.

 

[BrentD]

I worked for them 20 years ago They used to be a concessionaire through the forest service. Jeep latourell was the founder of their lodge but Bob and his sisters had taken it over. One of the sisters ran the portage.

Yes, some woman still runs it. They got in some trouble however, and I wondered how that might have affected ownership.

I used to work for Canadian Waters, literally a half century ago.

 

[Bonasababy]

Everything I have heard is this doesn't have the votes to pass, and theres a lot of resistance to use of the CRA in this manner and the even larger concerns that creates behind a lot of the opposition.

 

[BrentD]

Everything I have heard is this doesn't have the votes to pass, and theres a lot of resistance to use of the CRA in this manner and the even larger concerns that creates behind a lot of the opposition.

I hope to god you are right. It would be the only good piece of news I can even imagine.

 

[Bonasababy]

They have until the end of April I think.

 

[Gellar]

They have until the end of April I think.

I have a feeling they are trying to lull us to sleep and then BOOM!

 

[elkduds]

I have a feeling they are trying to lull us to sleep and then BOOM!

Are you suggesting conducting an unjustified war might be a smokescreen to divert attention away from this legislation and other dirty deeds on and around our public lands?

 

[Bonasababy]

I think the "Save" act is dominating their non-war/Eppstein work now. If that totally fails like it should and there's time left I fear it could be taken up.

 

[Bonasababy]

Just found out a few minutes ago..

Vote is scheduled for tomorrow...contact your senators ASAP if you haven't done so already!!!

 

[Big Fin]

Yup, sounds like the Congressional Review Act petition is going to be voted on tomorrow. So much for public comment on land management plans.

Link to your Senators here - https://www.senate.gov/senators/senators-contact.htm?OrderBy=state&Sort=ASC

Or, Capitol Switchboard - (202) 224-3121

 

[Outdoor-enthusiast24]

As a lifetime user of the BWCA with over 35 trips. I hope we can see the importance of keeping our clean water and wilderness free of pollution. All 14 copper mines in the US, 100% of leached acid min drainage. This aquatic environment is to wet to try and keep sulfide tailings from staying dry FOREVER, or they react with the water and produce sulfuric acid. The BWCA is the most visited wilderness in the United States and a huge economic engine for the region that can last and produce in perpetuity if protected. If the proposed copper mines do pollute, which history says they will, that will eliminate more outdoor recreation jobs than the mine produced and will put the clean up bill on the tax payer of Minnesota as well as ruin the wildlife.

To me there are way to many cons to make this a safe decision. The argument that it reduces our foreign reliance for copper is false also because the copper is mined by a chilean company and smelted in China. We don't even charge a hard rock mineral tax like we do on oil and gas production so these companies are taking American resources for free and will leave the clean up bill to the Americans.

 

[sclancy27]

As a lifetime user of the BWCA with over 35 trips. I hope we can see the importance of keeping our clean water and wilderness free of pollution. All 14 copper mines in the US, 100% of leached acid min drainage. This aquatic environment is to wet to try and keep sulfide tailings from staying dry FOREVER, or they react with the water and produce sulfuric acid. The BWCA is the most visited wilderness in the United States and a huge economic engine for the region that can last and produce in perpetuity if protected. If the proposed copper mines do pollute, which history says they will, that will eliminate more outdoor recreation jobs than the mine produced and will put the clean up bill on the tax payer of Minnesota as well as ruin the wildlife.

To me there are way to many cons to make this a safe decision. The argument that it reduces our foreign reliance for copper is false also because the copper is mined by a chilean company and smelted in China. We don't even charge a hard rock mineral tax like we do on oil and gas production so these companies are taking American resources for free and will leave the clean up bill to the Americans.

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That's the stuff that always baffles me. These are global commodities, just like oil, digging them out of the ground here does nothing for our supply. And yet people still believe it.

Also, they technically don't get it for free, there would be some sort of rehabilitation bond. But the fact they don't pay a % of profits like O&G is crazy.

 

[BrentD]

That's the stuff that always baffles me. These are global commodities, just like oil, digging them out of the ground here does nothing for our supply. And yet people still believe it.

Also, they technically don't get it for free, there would be some sort of rehabilitation bond. But the fact they don't pay a % of profits like O&G is crazy.

For resources that are strategic like copper and oil, we would be far better burning up everybody else's resources and saving ours for the end of times. It's stupid to give away your valuable resources when you can buy others quite cheaply.

 

[sclancy27]

For resources that are strategic like copper and oil, we would be far better burning up everybody else's resources and saving ours for the end of times. It's stupid to give away your valuable resources when you can buy others quite cheaply.

That's what I've always thought.

 

[BrentD]

That's what I've always thought.

Obviously, you are not a good little republican and can think beyond the horizon.

A guy with the last tank, a diesel for the tanks and the last tank of JP 4 or whayever for the drones and bombers, is the guy that rules.

 

[elkduds]

Obviously, you are not a good little republican and can think beyond the horizon.

A guy with the last tank, a diesel for the tanks and the last tank of JP 4 or whayever for the drones and bombers, is the guy that rules.

 

[BrentD]

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Yep, that's me!

 

[Big Fin]

Well, the vote is in. The White House weighed in and a couple people flipped. It passed 51-49.

So much for public input. The abuse of the Congressional Review Act (CRA), used once in the first 20 years of its existence and now more than 40 times with Trump Administration 1 & 2, is disturbing. Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of people provided comment on these public land management plans.

Comment was secured from the public, via the laws passed by Congress. Analysis was made by the scientists of the agencies. Recommendations published for debate. Final decisions were made and published. These plans were implemented anywhere from 20 years ago to 3 years ago. To overturn via the CRA, Congress is required to act within 60 days of implementation. So much for following that law.

Regardless of how one feels about the BWCA, the lead pipe treatment given to the process of public input should bother everyone. Too bad some of these assholes will be dead when the time comes to own the bad outcomes of the decisions being made with abuse of the CRA.

 

[WIbiggame]

Well, the vote is in. The White House weighed in and a couple people flipped. It passed 51-49.

So much for public input. The abuse of the Congressional Review Act (CRA), used once in the first 20 years of its existence and now more than 40 times with Trump Administration 1 & 2, is disturbing. Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of people provided comment on these public land management plans.

Comment was secured from the public, via the laws passed by Congress. Analysis was made by the scientists of the agencies. Recommendations published for debate. Final decisions were made and published. These plans were implemented anywhere from 20 years ago to 3 years ago. To overturn via the CRA, Congress is required to act within 60 days of implementation. So much for following that law.

Regardless of how one feels about the BWCA, the lead pipe treatment given to the process of public input should bother everyone. Too bad some of these assholes will be dead when the time comes to own the bad outcomes of the decisions being made with abuse of the CRA.

Looked and cant find the official vote. Want to see who I need to call tomorrow and voice my distain too.

 

[get-n-birdy]

Would like to say, unbelievable, but it's not. Blindly ignorant, most definitely.

Stupidly short sighted on so many levels.