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Border closure and spring outfitting season

SaskHunter

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Ladies and gents, THIS IS NOT a what's your opinion on COVID-19 thread...

We're discussing border closure and its impacts on outfitting and guiding businesses...
 

Panda Bear

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this is neither official or first hand information, however supposedly the border is suppose to open sometime in May or June --with caveats ---which in my humble opinion is telling us---absolutely nothing. Right now anyone entering the Territories, even from another Province is required to quarantine for 14 days.

If it doesn't open by June without a 14 day quarantine in place, the fall season will most likely be canceled and all hunts for 2021 will be pushed to 2022 and therefore some of the 2022 hunts will go to 2023. Many bookings are out to 2024 and 2025 now.

It should also be noted that each year will see an additional 10% or more added to the 2021 prices, unless you booked and paid for a 2020, and/or 2021 hunt, then it will remain the same. I am only talking large game and have zero knowledge about costs or bookings for fishing or birds. Supposedly more tags per year will be allowed in 2022 and 2023 for sheep, moose, caribou and black bear. But not Polar, Grizzly, Bison, Elk, Goat or Muskox. As many as 7 wolves can be hunted free when on other hunts. You can also hunt one wolverine free, but you never see them.

It is possible that the border between countries will open and yet the 14 day quarantine will remain in place in The Territories. However, it might be possible to do your 14 day quarantine while hunting, but that would take some real effort and agreement from the outfitter. Arrange to meet on the tarmac and fly directly to camp wont be easy to accomplish and expensive. Otherwise you quarantine for 14 days and then do your ten day hunt

To be honest this was a lot of typing to basically say, I dont know !
 

Rainer

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The border isn't going to open this year, at all sadly. With Alberta now having the largest amount of cases per capita in North America. Ontario, BC and Quebec are at a breaking point. It really is a bleak outlook for this year. I know that some Native Nations won't allow anyone onto their land and are looking at barricading the roads again. These variants will wipe out these smaller communities. The vaccine they got will not fully protect them from this new disease
 

SaskHunter

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The Feds are finally starting to talk about int'l travel requirements and are supposed to come up with travel rules regarding those who are fully vaccinated.

I'm confident there will be a plan laid out soon and hopefully people who are fully vaccinated can travel int'l without isolation requirements.

Saskatchewan has also started talking about first and second doses milestones to fully/partially re-open the Province. Things are starting to get in motion, I am confident the border will open this summer and that restriction will lift for those who have received their first or second doses.
 

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It would be nice if the us and Canada could come to an agreement and at least have a strategy as to opening the border, like if A,B, and C are met we will reopen the border. But right now they just close it for 30 days and say they will reevaluate at that time. So businesses, property owners, fisherman, hunters and tourists are all left wondering if they will be able to go to Canada this year.
If you are fully vaccinated, you can go , I hope that will happen soon!
 

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After spending two months fiddling with the local comic opera of too many vaccination authority cooks in the kitchen to figure out who's doing what and not getting my shot, I finally spent the better part of today sorting out the mess with US Veterans Admin so I can get their vaccine without having to drive thirty hours to Great Falls. Another tangled mess! I wanted to have my file moved to MN so I don't have to drive so far. Good news was they have Johnsons vax in Minneapolis and I can walk in for a shot in two weeks. Bad news was getting my file moved to MN was almost impossible because no one could punch in a Canadian postal code into govt computer programs designed for five digit zip codes. Same people must have designed Montana's Town Pump gaspumps that also require zipcode (why!?). At one point I was directed to Canada Veterans Affairs and a mouthy rude woman I desperately wanted to reach through the phone and slap silly. Ugh! What a BITCH! Canada Vets affairs provides haphazard support for American vets but only as they see fit ... not per what the US laws dictate. They won't vaccinate any vets from any country. "Call your district health unit ... or pharmacy ... or ministry website." Yeah, been there done that and got nowhere. Fell through cracks big as the Grand Canyon. FINALLY after calling the really nice folks at Minneapolis VA the fourth time, my name and Canadian address somehow magically showed up in the system. Ahhhhhh! So now I'm officially eligible. I will be driving across the border six hours one way in two weeks for my vax. Called the district health unit here and they confirmed I'll have to quarantine for two weeks when I return. Doesn't make a lot of sense but okay. Whatever. I live alone and am retired so it's doable. The GOOD NEWS is one shot and I'm done with it. The way it is here now even if I could get Astra shot tomorrow, it's almost certain I wouldn't have second one before my Africa safari in August. And as an added bonus, getting my vax in US means someone else will get vaccinated here sooner and that's what's really important. Definitely worth it to spend a couple more weeks homebound. Lots of maintenance needs to be done anyway.

Anyway, no vax available here now for anyone (even cranky old turds) as it's been diverted to hot spot blowups in Greater Toronto, Alberta, and B.C. They are running out of hospital space in many places.
 

Panda Bear

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saskhunter, yes
rainer, no
me, maybe

do our neighbors to the south have any other questions we can answer ? :)
 

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my wife gives vaccinations. she had to throw away a few doses the other day as there was no one to give them to. there is a sign there that says walk ins welcome. no issues getting a shot here. anyone can sign up easily. she gets people who drive up from Minneapolis to get them. if anyone wants to get one, pm me and i will get you the details.
 

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my wife gives vaccinations. she had to throw away a few doses the other day as there was no one to give them to. there is a sign there that says walk ins welcome. no issues getting a shot here. anyone can sign up easily. she gets people who drive up from Minneapolis to get them. if anyone wants to get one, pm me and i will get you the details.
That is how I got my vaccination very early. A coworker who is lawn Forssman happen to be getting his shot and just asked if there was any available for the rest of our staff and the lady said if we could be there before noon that day they would give them to us because they had cancellations or had to open up to many vaccines then appointments for the day. Makes me wonder how many went to waste when the appointments were not filled.

We were talking about about the border opening at work again this morning as many of us like to go to Canada and fish every year one staff member just got back from Lake Erie and their group was all in on not going to Canada anymore as they found different locations with just as good if not better fishing than where they went to in Canada and it is not nearly the drive for them. Every day that the border remains closed Canada is losing tourists from the United States and millions of dollars for those small bush towns thatRely on tourism as a means to survive.
 

OntarioHunter

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That is how I got my vaccination very early. A coworker who is lawn Forssman happen to be getting his shot and just asked if there was any available for the rest of our staff and the lady said if we could be there before noon that day they would give them to us because they had cancellations or had to open up to many vaccines then appointments for the day. Makes me wonder how many went to waste when the appointments were not filled.

We were talking about about the border opening at work again this morning as many of us like to go to Canada and fish every year one staff member just got back from Lake Erie and their group was all in on not going to Canada anymore as they found different locations with just as good if not better fishing than where they went to in Canada and it is not nearly the drive for them. Every day that the border remains closed Canada is losing tourists from the United States and millions of dollars for those small bush towns thatRely on tourism as a means to survive.
Better than communities on both sides of the border losing lives. COVID situation is very bad up here right now. No sense in spreading the fatalities just to make a quick buck.
 

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It looks like in Alberta right now we have the highest per capita rate in North America now of spreading this stuff. We are to expect a lock down order tonight perhaps of further restrictions. With the amount of people in AB determined to not get the vaccines available, it looks like this isn't going away anytime soon.
 
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