Please tell us what the Problem is?
Biden vs Gun Owners
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I think that you would be opening a can of worms by mandating storage. Part of the reason for having a firearm is protection and that’s not going to work if it’s in a safe. Better would be steal a firearm and do ten years in jail day for day! Truth is if we get our car stolen bad things could happen or how about prescription drugs do we have to store those in a safe ? We cannot put citizens at risk of becoming criminals because someone comes into their home uninvited!
Laszlo Cravensworth
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Just shy of 40k gun deaths per year.
You should read the last few pages of discussion if you missed that part.
VikingsGuy
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Most storage rules only apply to the time when not in your possession. A gun stored in your sock drawer is no more accessible in times of need than a gun stored in a fingerprint lock box in your sock drawer. Most folks I know that are hyper-vigilent about home security carry a pistol on their person they don't plan on running over to the dining room to grab it off the table. The old, leave a loaded firearm laying in every room may is not a reasonable approach in 2021.
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whats the ratio legally possessed vs illegally possessed in the shooting killings non suicide
what percentage of legal possessed firearms that are ar-15 type in the death count
easy one what % of deaths are from an illegally possessed firearm> take a look at this one by zipcode
I agree but I don’t have a loaded gun in my home either. I never have felt the need but I don’t want the government to tell me how to store my guns. To many variables of liability for me !
Laszlo Cravensworth
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A link to that data has been posted in this thread, likely more than once. I'm familiar with it. I'm not interested in the AR debate. As I have stated numerous times, I don't think it's an important topic for us to focus on.
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Pill bottles have childproof lids, a lot of folks do basic child proofing of there homes when they have toddlers. The law would say you have to purchase it and use it, no one is going to check. If your not into it, your out $9 per gun, wont be an issue unless the fire department or something has to enter your house.
Safe storage and personal protection are not mutually exclusive.
Both sides have to be reasonable when discussing hot button issues like this, hyperbole helps no one.
Safe storage, mitigates it doesn't stop crime/accidental death/ children getting guns. Simply making someone buy a $5-9 plastic trigger lock makes them think about safety, esp. the 7 million new gun buyers out there.
My Wild Ass Guess, reduces deaths from the aforementioned causes by 20-40%. There are places where I'm willing to cede some freedom, some places I'm not.
Biometric, under your bed... fits your AR...
Cheap and affordable.
VikingsGuy
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Frankly, I have 5 firearms locked and loaded in my house at all times. A 9mm in my nightstand, a 12ga pump under the bed, a 2nd 9mm + a scary black rifle in my rifle safe in the basement and my conceal carry 9mm (you can see I like 9mm) near the back garage door. All are locked, but quickly accessible, in safes at all times except when the carry pistol is being carried (which never is in the house). It really isn't that big a burden.
Plus all the hunting firearms are locked in safe too. My ammo is in simple padlocked ammo boxes or locked metal storage shelving - any thief or motivated teen could overcome that in 2 minutes, but it does cut down on the chance that 5yo or a 15yo will grab some on a whim and do something stupid. Safety is not about planning for the big events, it is purposely and intentionally reducing various failure modes a bit at a time. Hell just look at firearm safety - if I never put my finger in the trigger why would I need the other steps? Because we layer multiple safety steps when dealing with life-threatening tools.
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LockPickingLawyer has me doubting the usefulness of any gunlock on the market.
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I'd like to think there's a whole lot more that goes into my safety and the safety of my family than a loaded gun. But call me old fashion.
VikingsGuy
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Locks (including those on your front door) are about causing criminals to move on to greener pastures, not to defeat well-tooled, well-skilled professional thieves.
We live in an out of the way neighborhood. Our relative isolation causes the neighbors to get lax with leaving doors unlocked and garage doors open. Every few years we get 2 or 3 robberies in a few week stretch. The word gets out. Everybody remembers to lock their doors and the robberies stop again for several years until folks get lax again. I have yet to see the thieves whip out an iPhone and deal with picking the locks - they just move on to another lazy neighborhood.
Bowhunter999
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Your words VikingsGuy concerning storage of firearms may or may not be correct, but I gather that is mostly assumption on your part, and maybe on the part of others. However, if our gun control thoughts are going to be based on assumptions, just how much room does that leave for validity ? If a criminal is looking to intrude on the sanctuary of someone’s home, and knows even if there is a firearm in the home, but that it is required to be locked in a safe and not available for immediate protection by the homeowner, that pretty much depletes the fear of would-be criminals, and completely dilutes any safe guards for homeowners ! My guess would be that most guns are for home protection (outside of hunting) and important for ease of being acquired at time of need. The old wordage used by anti-gun people of ‘you don’t need a gun, just call the police’ is out the window and completely idiotic !
VikingsGuy
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Yup - locked doors, alarm systems, situational awareness, investing in and building a strong community, etc.
You are very well prepared lol
No need to get self righteous , I believe no one has a right to enter my home and more importantly I don’t have the right to tell you what do in your home. I don’t need more laws but enforce the of the ones we have! Live and let live !
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rwc101
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Your points are all valid and that's the general approach I take to security, but $200 safes that are opened with forks and Tropicana bottles don't cut it.
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VikingsGuy
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First all, assumptions, our personal experiences and common sense is really all either side has offered in this thread. But that is no reason to say nothing can be done.
If you feel that your home is at risk that would require an immediate lethal reaction, then carry (which is not subject to the storage rules) - in that scenario, being in the next room under the couch is no better. So, either you think you have a minute or two to respond and you can lock your guns up just as easy as having them layin around, or think you need an immediate reaction and then you carry. It is just not that difficult.
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Tone is tough on the interweb.
I agree with you.
Per my earlier post, 1. Storage and 2. Handguns are what's on the table for me, if required. I'm not authoring the legislation, but that's what I'm willing to discuss.
Like imagining, I'm the gump senator from CO and the spunky new kid from MD out to make a name for himself comes to my office.
That's the deal I'm willing to make.
VikingsGuy
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I have 160 lbs of lab (2 of them) that will only stop an intruder if they trip on the tennis ball they bring to them to play
That aside, it is funny how our oldest lab is a complete creampuff when I am around, but when my wife walks alone she growls at every man she passes - never women or kids and never when I am with. Dogs are smarter than we think.
