Attack on the Feds independence

[rjthehunter]

Is a tragedy less of tragedy if it's an American that did it ? A crime is crime , no matter who commits it . Just like it's the criminal and not the gun .
But your saying because one or two illegals committed a tragedy , all illegals are trash to be deposed of ?
So , using your logic , if a white person commits a crime should we all lose our rights ?
You should just stop if thats the best you got .

You're dramatic.

Did I say dispose of them? Return to sender.

If a white guy does the same thing, they get locked up as they should.

Are you against accountability? Should borders be open? Should anyone with any record be allowed into the US? How about we send them to your neighborhood and they can live in your streets and commit murders, rape, kidnapping, and pedal drugs to your kids and your family. Would it make a difference if you had a 6 year old at home who liked to play in the yard and there was an illegal immigrant living 2 doors down who was a convicted pedophile and rapist? Would your tune change then?

I'll respond to you when you can answer the above paragraph.

 

[cwitherow]

Well - the point is - for the adults in the room, those people weren't deported under the last admin or even Trump 1 because of policies cooked up by the Democratic party.

Again...deport them if they've been convicted of a crime.

Changing things slightly...are you in favor of making the process of becoming a citizen easier? If the problem you have is they are here illegally, then it would make sense you would be in support of the process for them to become legal easier or at least increase resources to process those that have applied.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Again...deport them if they've been convicted of a crime.

Changing things slightly...are you in favor of making the process of becoming a citizen easier?

Yes. Absolutely.

 

[rjthehunter]

Again...deport them if they've been convicted of a crime.

Changing things slightly...are you in favor of making the process of becoming a citizen easier? If the problem you have is they are here illegally, then it would make sense you would be in support of the process for them to become legal easier or at least increase resources to process those that have applied.

What part of illegal immigrant sounds legal to you? They've all committed a crime.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

In your scenario the federal government is trying to take a gun and you are shooting.

My friend, who has been a citizen here for 25 years, had ICE show up at her house two nights ago. She’s 6 months pregnant and has a 2 year old daughter. She is happily married to an another legal US citizen. Neither have committed a crime beyond a minor traffic violation. Should she have been shooting? They were trying to tear their family apart for no reason other than their skin color and their last name. Luckily ICE left and her family fled the area. Again….legal citizens and the exact opposite of criminals. Should they have been shooting?

I'm sorry that happened

 

[Forkyfinder]

Again...deport them if they've been convicted of a crime.

Localities are a major hinderance to that.

Seems to be lost on many in this thread.

 

[cwitherow]

Yes. Absolutely.

And that simple shared agreement, despite I'm sure MANY disagreements...is what I feel is missing in today's political climate. A starting point of a shared destination.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

Should I share stories of people killed, mamed, raped from illegal immigrants who never got deported (can't do that because of leftist policies) - but easily could have?

Name one that you have met, I dare you. Give it a try.

 

[CRJR45]

You're dramatic.

Did I say dispose of them? Return to sender.

If a white guy does the same thing, they get locked up as they should.

Are you against accountability? Should borders be open? Should anyone with any record be allowed into the US? How about we send them to your neighborhood and they can live in your streets and commit murders, rape, kidnapping, and pedal drugs to your kids and your family. Would it make a difference if you had a 6 year old at home who liked to play in the yard and there was an illegal immigrant living 2 doors down who was a convicted pedophile and rapist? Would your tune change then?

I'll respond to you when you can answer the above paragraph.

Again , you don't get it . You fall for the narrative Trump puts out . I live with them , they're everywhere here , and it's not a problem . They are the hardest working group you will ever find .
And not a criminal element at all . In fact , the only crimes committed by illegals are committed to other illegals , because they know the victims can't call the police .


But , you putting Illegal Immigrant into the convicted pedophile and rapist part of your post is funny . I would worry about any convicted pedophile and rapist , illegal or not .
And as far as someone coming in with a record , did they do their time ?

 

[CRJR45]

Sanctuary city.

Do you know what it means?

Yes , it means a city decided how to deal with the problem . The fact that you or anyone else disagrees with that is a non issue , to me .

 

[Forkyfinder]

And that simple shared agreement, despite I'm sure MANY disagreements...is what I feel is missing in today's political climate. A starting point of a shared destination.

Next step of agreement.... Localities shouldn't protect/hide/shelter illegal immigrants - especially dangerous ones, and should freely communicate with ICE to ensure their prompt deportation.

Agree?

 

[rjthehunter]

In fact , the only crimes committed by illegals are committed to other illegals , because they know the victims can't call the police .

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/08/06/dhs-honors-victims-illegal-alien-crime

You live in make believe land. Go visit Minneapolis.

 

[CRJR45]

Your state corporates with ICE to remove the bad guys. That's what Minneapolis should be doing.

Florida's top officials say partnership with ICE resulted in over 10,000 arrests | wtsp.com https://share.google/cuErQWT6pWafR2EdV

Well of course thats what the DeSantis people are saying , but in fact it quite different . LEO's know where the illegals are and make zero effort to arrest them . The only ones that gets arrested are the ones the get pulled over for something stupid . Thats why the all ride bicycles .
If they arrested all the illegals this state would collapse , in days .

 

[CRJR45]

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/08/06/dhs-honors-victims-illegal-alien-crime

You live in make believe land. Go visit Minneapolis.

Hey , focus , I said down here . I see why you have such a hard time , you confuse facts and context .

 

[Forkyfinder]

Yes , it means a city decided how to deal with the problem .

If that's the case they should be robbed of any grants, federal funding of any kind, and federal offices/enforcement.

Do you not see how this is an issue of federal resources? Who do you suppose foots the bill when they show up to the doctor with no insurance?

Please - stop attacking peoples character you don't know. You're assuming a ton about me (that I'm racist, which is disgusting) while youve never met me, it's not healthy for you personally or discourse in this country. Worse yet - it dilutes the word racist.

 

[Handlebar]

We had over a million legal immigrants in 2025. During the Biden administration Border Patrol reported 10.8 million encounters likely far more came in without an encounter. The single biggest money maker for the cartels is human smuggling not drugs.

I believe in the law of supply and demand. Low skill wages go down; hospital wait times go up and the demand for public services goes up along with the cost. School districts drop AP classes or other electives because of the need for English as a Second Language teachers, districts have been hit hard with these things. The cost of a massive influx of people outweighs any benefit.
I don't believe that ICE is just willy nilly knocking on doors without some information that an illegal is present, much in the same way I did not believe the Border Patrol was whipping illegals with their reins. The number of American citizens that have been arrested or detained by ICE is about 170 according to numbers released by Oregon Public Radio/Propublica, the Guardian newspaper reports a total of 352,590 arrested.

The actions in Texas show that when they are not operating in a environment with active obstruction from the governor or mayor they seem to be able to operate fairly well. When ICE can arrest a person inside of a jail instead of operating in the street because of sanctuary state/city policies you could remove much of the problem. Figures presented show that they are working in red states. If some think that facts or figures are skewed dispute them. When offered facts some just wave them away and offer antidotes about ICE ignoring the issue
If cities decide that their way to deal with the "problem" is to just ignore and create sanctuary status than pay for without federal funds, instead of playing shell games like Medi-Cal is doing. The amount of fraud discovered in Minnesota is staggering, and I believe only the tip of the iceberg.

Calling me a racist has lost any power.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Name one that you have met, I dare you. Give it a try.

I don't live in a sanctuary city/state. Not likely to know someone.

Are anecdotes the only evidence you take?

 

[cgasner1]

I do find it interesting the amount of people mad that illegals are being sent back. You know the people I’ve met that are the most pist off about them being here are the people that came here legally. I work every day with a Canadian that did it right it’s hilarious listening to him go off about all this. He retires in a couple months I’m half
he doesn’t apply for ice

 

[BigHornRam]

Yes , it means a city decided how to deal with the problem . The fact that you or anyone else disagrees with that is a non issue , to me .

That's a tell.

 

[Archer86]