All NM & Tonto AZ NF's ceases all wood extraction permits.

[Ben Sellers]

No, as long as it is consumed in the forest and not removed.

Thanks. I just wanted to make sure. Sometimes there is no limit to crazy.

 

[hank4elk]

Some folks are taking this that the forest is closed & hunting ,camping etc. will be effected. Nonsense.
Sorry if I appear unclear.That's life.LOL

 

[Gila]

When people see how these groups are able to take away our rights to use our land, it is what makes people support the movement to transfer them to the state. You can still cut wood on NM land can’t you?
I don’t want the land transferred but a lot of rural people do, and although I disagree, I can sure sympathize with why when I see shit like this.
These groups inspire their opposition just like all of the mess over grizzly bears and wolves stokes support for repealing or changing the ESA, which I am a big fan of doing because of Earth Justice

These aren't issues to big city folks who use natural gas to heat their homes. For the rest of us surrounding the small villages, it a catastrophe of epic proportion. The Federal Government has forced us into a situation of life or death. I know of no higher form of oppression do you? People will do whatever it takes to survive, no matter what the consequences are. Transfer of public land? Hell, there won't be any forest land left to transfer!

 

[Gila]

Maybe these two can craft some common sense legislation to put an end to this nonsense?

Daines, Feinstein to introduce wildfire protection bill

Senators from California and Montana said Thursday that they plan to introduce a bipartisan bill that aims to protect communities from wildfires like the one that killed 85 people and

helenair.com

"Daines and Feinstein have been working on forest management reform proposals for several years, and the Paradise tragedy may be what pushes the legislation through a divided Congress, Daines said. He called the bipartisan effort a breakthrough."

You are kidding right? Sen. Feinstein has done more to eliminate hunting on public lands than any Senator who has ever lived! You are a Ram man, and you don't know how she tried to eradicate the Desert Bighorn on public lands?

 

[MTGomer]

These aren't issues to big city folks who use natural gas to heat their homes. For the rest of us surrounding the small villages, it a catastrophe of epic proportion. The Federal Government has forced us into a situation of life or death. I know of no higher form of oppression do you? People will do whatever it takes to survive, no matter what the consequences are. Transfer of public land? Hell, there won't be any forest land left to transfer!

It’s a bad situation.

 

[BigHornRam]

You are kidding right? Sen. Feinstein has done more to eliminate hunting on public lands than any Senator who has ever lived! You are a Ram man, and you don't know how she tried to eradicate the Desert Bighorn on public lands?

My policy with politicians is to encourage them when they do positive work, and beat them like a rented mule when they do not. Feinstein is doing positive work here, so I am encouraging it. Besides, she is not my representative and I can't vote for her, but she is actively working with my Senator on common sense forest management legislation so how about focusing on that and not all the other b s?

 

[BigHornRam]

These aren't issues to big city folks who use natural gas to heat their homes. For the rest of us surrounding the small villages, it a catastrophe of epic proportion. The Federal Government has forced us into a situation of life or death. I know of no higher form of oppression do you? People will do whatever it takes to survive, no matter what the consequences are. Transfer of public land? Hell, there won't be any forest land left to transfer!

When the big city folks natural gas gets cut off by the same environmentalist nut jobs that are stopping you from collecting firewood on the Gila, they may eventually wake up and smell the roses.

I think your issue is with the environmentalists, not the federal government.

 

[Gila]

My policy with politicians is to encourage them when they do positive work, and beat them like a rented mule when they do not. Feinstein is doing positive work here, so I am encouraging it. Besides, she is not my representative and I can't vote for her, but she is actively working with my Senator on common sense forest management legislation so how about focusing on that and not all the other b s?

Not a hard concept to follow.........

For decades I have not given any credibility to her drivel. I won't start now. It's like giving Hitler the Sudetenland if you ask me.

 

[Ben Lamb]

For decades I have not given any credibility to her drivel. I won't start now. It's like giving Hitler the Sudetenland if you ask me.

This is the biggest reason crap doesn't get done. We view our fellow countrymen & women as enemies rather than people w/whom we have differences of opion.

Well said, BHR. Work with whom you can, when you can.

 

[BigHornRam]

For decades I have not given any credibility to her drivel. I won't start now. It's like giving Hitler the Sudetenland if you ask me.

Focus on the issues, not the politicians if you want to fix this mess. Or dig your heels in like most partisans do, it's a free country still.

 

[Gila]

When the big city folks natural gas gets cut off by the same environmentalist nut jobs that are stopping you from collecting firewood on the Gila, they may eventually wake up and smell the roses.

I think your issue is with the environmentalists, not the federal government.

We are talking about FEDERAL lands closed to wood operations by a FEDERAL District Judge. All the enviros do is make the payoffs and buy politicians.

 

[Gila]

This is the biggest reason crap doesn't get done. We view our fellow countrymen & women as enemies rather than people w/whom we have differences of opion.

Well said, BHR. Work with whom you can, when you can.

There has to be a line in the sand. You can try and erase it but it will always be there. If you give the antis any credibility, they will just become stronger and more powerful when they turn on you. I had hoped you guys would have figured that out by now.

 

[Gila]

Focus on the issues, not the politicians if you want to fix this mess. Or dig your heels in like most partisans do, it's a free country still.

Dig in and call up the artillery. You betcha!

 

[BigHornRam]

We are talking about FEDERAL lands closed to wood operations by a FEDERAL District Judge. All the enviros do is make the payoffs and buy politicians.

So work with Daines and Feinstein to get the laws changed so we can end this nonsense.

 

[Ben Lamb]

There has to be a line in the sand. You can try and erase it but it will always be there. If you give the antis any credibility, they will just become stronger and more powerful when they turn on you. I had hoped you guys would have figured that out by now.

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

 

[BigHornRam]

Dig in and call up the artillery. You betcha!

With all due respect, you don't have enough wit and skill to last 5 minutes in a fire fight. Carry on.

 

[Gila]

With all due respect, you don't have enough wit and skill to last 5 minutes in a fire fight. Carry on.

You guys come on a thread and try to politically polarize the issues and insult people. You are laughable sir!

 

[Gila]

So work with Daines and Feinstein to get the laws changed so we can end this nonsense.

Then work with Daines and let Fienstein's vote be counted.

 

[BigHornRam]

Then work with Daines and let Fienstein's vote be counted.

How do you plan on getting enough of Nancy's confused caucus to vote yes on it if Feinsteins name isn't on the bill?

 

[Gila]

An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

You don't have to team with radical groups that are against all extraction. Choose your partners carefully.