Access to public land lost due to hunters using semi-auto rifles

[Gojo03]

Maybe so, but a Jackass with a muzzleloader would likely only get one shot at a group of deer before they are out of sight. There is also a good chance someone with a muzzleloader would take very careful aim knowing they likely only have one chance.
I think it best too for a landowner to only allow hunting with permission only. That reduces the potential hunters. Many states require it whether the landowner requires it or not.

No, that would be a responsible hunter with a muzzle loader. A Jackass with a muzzle loader would be the guy that shoots skylined deer or doesn't care to look behind the target at all and shoots with people in the background.

Either way, careless hunters should be held accountable, not the gear they are using. I can go into the woods and kill a deer with my AR with one shot. I can go in with my Remington 7400 and shoot up the place and not hit anything. Yet people don't look twice at the Remmy, but that AR is evil?

I went to a place last year with my AR and was just sitting there enjoying the place when all hell broke loose on the other side of the trees. I didn't take a shot that morning at all, even passed a small buck. When I got back to the jeep, it turns out all the gun fire came from about 3 dudes all with bolt action rifles lol... Those guys were working those bolts and put on an impressive display of firepower, yet not one dead deer in sight.

 

[Mustangs Rule]

No, that would be a responsible hunter with a muzzle loader. A Jackass with a muzzle loader would be the guy that shoots skylined deer or doesn't care to look behind the target at all and shoots with people in the background.

Either way, careless hunters should be held accountable, not the gear they are using. I can go into the woods and kill a deer with my AR with one shot. I can go in with my Remington 7400 and shoot up the place and not hit anything. Yet people don't look twice at the Remmy, but that AR is evil?

I went to a place last year with my AR and was just sitting there enjoying the place when all hell broke loose on the other side of the trees. I didn't take a shot that morning at all, even passed a small buck. When I got back to the jeep, it turns out all the gun fire came from about 3 dudes all with bolt action rifles lol... Those guys were working those bolts and put on an impressive display of firepower, yet not one dead deer in sight.

Bad news Bikers do not buy Honda’s or Suzuki’s or even BMW’s. They buy Harley's. That is their brand of choice.

Cowboys do not buy Levi’s. They buy Wranglers which are PRCA ( Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association) approved. That is their brand of choice

Mass Murderers do not buy M1 Carbines or Mini 14’s when they use rifles. They began killing innocent people with AK 47’s and have now switched over completely to AR-15 variants. That is their brand of choice from Columbine, to Sandy Hook, to Las Vegas and Ulvade, Texas.

As stated earlier, I have a Colt AR 15. It has been in the original box for 40 years. I do not shoot it, much less hunt with it. I would not tell any of my friends I own it. I invite them over for venison and wild turkey. They love such meals. They can even admire my Belgium Safari grade Browning or pre-64 model 70 Winchester. If they knew I had an AR 15 in my house they might never come back. Many are retired teachers, so am I.


Last thing. I grew up in Connecticut. Sandy Hook on the Housatonic River in Newtown was my swimming hole.

The U.S. has had 2,032 school shootings since 1970 and these numbers are increasing. Alarmingly, 948 school shootings have taken place since the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012. School shootings have returned to pre-COVID levels and by some accounts have even increased. Since the historic attack at Columbine High School in 1999, nearly 300,000 students have been on campus during a school shooting.

I am not suggesting AR 15's be banned. But I would not hunt with anyone who would use one for hunting. Hunting is a dying activity. It has lost about 33% of the number of hunters by population. Once the last of the baby boomers like myself age out hunting will have lost 40% of it's numbers by population. There is no turn around coming.

AR's give all hunters terrible PR.

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[Buffs35]

Is he looking to sell that section? Asking for a friend.

 

[nhenry]

Columbine

This was with 12 gauge shotties and two 9mm firearms. Don't spread false info.

 

[Gojo03]

Bad news Bikers do not buy Honda’s or Suzuki’s or even BMW’s. They buy Harley's. That is their brand of choice.

Cowboys do not buy Levi’s. They buy Wranglers which are PRCA ( Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association) approved. That is their brand of choice

Mass Murderers do not buy M1 Carbines or Mini 14’s when they use rifles. They began killing innocent people with AK 47’s and have now switched over completely to AR-15 variants. That is their brand of choice from Columbine, to Sandy Hook, to Las Vegas and Ulvade, Texas.

As stated earlier, I have a Colt AR 15. It has been in the original box for 40 years. I do not shoot it, much less hunt with it. I would not tell any of my friends I own it. I invite them over for venison and wild turkey. They love such meals. They can even admire my Belgium Safari grade Browning or pre-64 model 70 Winchester. If they knew I had an AR 15 in my house they might never come back. Many are retired teachers, so am I.


Last thing. I grew up in Connecticut. Sandy Hook on the Housatonic River in Newtown was my swimming hole.

The U.S. has had 2,032 school shootings since 1970 and these numbers are increasing. Alarmingly, 948 school shootings have taken place since the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012. School shootings have returned to pre-COVID levels and by some accounts have even increased. Since the historic attack at Columbine High School in 1999, nearly 300,000 students have been on campus during a school shooting.

I am not suggesting AR 15's be banned. But I would not hunt with anyone who would use one for hunting. Hunting is a dying activity. It has lost about 33% of the number of hunters by population. Once the last of the baby boomers like myself age out hunting will have lost 40% of it's numbers by population. There is no turn around coming.

AR's give all hunters terrible PR.

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Another incorrect analogy. Harley Davidson and Wrangler are actual brands while an AR-15 is not a brand at all. If a "bad news biker" does something terrible on a Harley should we restrict use on all motorcycles? Tell that guy on the BMW he shouldn't use his touring bike as a commuter because that's now what it was made for? Just like the title of this thread trying to focus the blame on the rifle vs the irresponsible idiots behind the trigger

Murderers are murderers and nothing is going to stop that. I watched several documentary series on serial killers and noticed most of them used knives or strangulation. One of the guys with the highest kill number was a Dr killing his elderly patients with drugs. That dude was in triple digits.

Imagine if there were no AR-15s at all. All those shootings would have still happened. Maybe they use a shotgun or maybe they use a pistol. Maybe they grab a bolt action rifle and sit in the tower or ride around on the parkway and shoot whoever they want. Maybe they park a truck filled with fertilizer by a large building and blow it up. The people who commit those crimes are monsters that were not going to let anything get in their way

Blaming an inanimate object is just ignorant.

As a side note, judging someone by the gear that they own or choose to use is not an admirable trait

 

[mevertsen]

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Look at this image. An ar15 for coyote. Last week it was a backup on a deer hunt for my dad. My father in law was lined up with it on a group of deer last week as well, but a clear shot never presented itself.

It will ride as backup duty for my daughter until she kills her deer and will be in the truck all winter for predators.

Along with my ar15 300blk pistol my daughter killed her first lion with, and my 3030 lever gun, and my NEF 223 single shot.

The gun ain't the problem. Idiots are.

 

[Nick87]

Just thumbed through this gem. Wow

 

[Deleted member 20812]

Do firearms have “Karma”

No more so than my drawer of crescent wrenches. SAE in one drawer, metric in the other…

 

[Don Fischer]

Bad news Bikers do not buy Honda’s or Suzuki’s or even BMW’s. They buy Harley's. That is their brand of choice.

Cowboys do not buy Levi’s. They buy Wranglers which are PRCA ( Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association) approved. That is their brand of choice

Mass Murderers do not buy M1 Carbines or Mini 14’s when they use rifles. They began killing innocent people with AK 47’s and have now switched over completely to AR-15 variants. That is their brand of choice from Columbine, to Sandy Hook, to Las Vegas and Ulvade, Texas.

As stated earlier, I have a Colt AR 15. It has been in the original box for 40 years. I do not shoot it, much less hunt with it. I would not tell any of my friends I own it. I invite them over for venison and wild turkey. They love such meals. They can even admire my Belgium Safari grade Browning or pre-64 model 70 Winchester. If they knew I had an AR 15 in my house they might never come back. Many are retired teachers, so am I.


Last thing. I grew up in Connecticut. Sandy Hook on the Housatonic River in Newtown was my swimming hole.

The U.S. has had 2,032 school shootings since 1970 and these numbers are increasing. Alarmingly, 948 school shootings have taken place since the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012. School shootings have returned to pre-COVID levels and by some accounts have even increased. Since the historic attack at Columbine High School in 1999, nearly 300,000 students have been on campus during a school shooting.

I am not suggesting AR 15's be banned. But I would not hunt with anyone who would use one for hunting. Hunting is a dying activity. It has lost about 33% of the number of hunters by population. Once the last of the baby boomers like myself age out hunting will have lost 40% of it's numbers by population. There is no turn around coming.

AR's give all hunters terrible PR.

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Very well put!

 

[Mustangs Rule]

This was with 12 gauge shotties and two 9mm firearms. Don't spread false info.

Thank you for the correction.

 

[dsotm]

Fuddtastic

 

[Mackay Sagebrush]

Over the past few days I’ve been shopping for winter hay for my horses The summer before last set records for heat and drought, last winter set records for snow, then last spring set records for rain and this summer set records for hay production. Now the hay market is crazy and there is hoarding going on.

I got my hay though a horse wrangler friend and while I arranged delivery, I listened to a rancher tell another rancher who was his relative, why he had just posted the last of his land.

He had a small useless section of land on the other side of country road which was the key to lots of national forest land. Up to now he had been generous allowing people to go cross even if he did not know them, but two days ago he heard a long burst of semi auto gunfire, over a dozen rounds fired by two yahoo hunters shooting at a deer and he just decided no more.

He posted this key land and all hunters, except for selected locals, just lost access to many thousands of acres of prime public deer and elk habitat.

He was telling this to the other rancher who was now thinking about granting access across his land by individual permission only.

This story will be told by ranchers in the local coffee shop over and over.

 

[Scott85]

The U.S. has had 2,032 school shootings since 1970 and these numbers are increasing. Alarmingly, 948 school shootings have taken place since the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012. School shootings have returned to pre-COVID levels and by some accounts have even increased. Since the historic attack at Columbine High School in 1999, nearly 300,000 students have been on campus during a school shooting.
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It easy to manipulate a statistic to fit one’s agenda. Since you pulled this right off the Sandyhookpromise website let’s look at “school” shooting they use for their data.

 

[Mackay Sagebrush]

Scott85

Those domestic disputes, "school shootings" that were actually a pellet gun, and various others that all used handguns, don't fit the "Only maniacs and horrible people own AR-15s, we must ban them all, its for the children" Virtue Signalling that is going on here...

 

[Mackay Sagebrush]

Bad news Bikers do not buy Honda’s or Suzuki’s or even BMW’s. They buy Harley's. That is their brand of choice.

Cowboys do not buy Levi’s. They buy Wranglers which are PRCA ( Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association) approved. That is their brand of choice

Mass Murderers do not buy M1 Carbines or Mini 14’s when they use rifles. They began killing innocent people with AK 47’s and have now switched over completely to AR-15 variants. That is their brand of choice from Columbine, to Sandy Hook, to Las Vegas and Ulvade, Texas.


AR's give all hunters terrible PR.

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You are not talking about hunting.

You are talking about crime and gun control.


"AR's give all hunters terrible PR."

The 2nd Amendment protecting our gun rights does not say anything about hunting.

Your fabricated stories are nothing but virtue signaling, simply for the fact that you don't like a modern firearm.


Your posts reek of your disdain, here being a typical example:

I walked into a gun store today to check on powder availability. Not much! I looked at the rifle rack most all high capacity autoloaders. A few bolt action hunting rifles, near all with plastic stocks.

I looked at the handguns, nearly all semi autos. Lots of them. In one corner of the display case there were a few double action revolvers, 7 shot Smith and Wesson Double action .357's.



All those terrible "high capacity autoloaders".... Plastic stocks no less!

They are ready to jump off the shelves and go on a killing spree by themselves..

God forbid you walk by the silverware section and an extra large spoon, leap into your hand going on a rampage making you fat!


What is especially troubling is the fact that you have been allowed to teach and influence young minds as an educator.

Instead of using logic, you make emotional based decisions and conclusions, rather than ones made on actual facts.

My father was career educator/administrator for 30 years and he was absolutely correct when he said that Socialism was destroying the public school system and the teachers that being hired were less and less interested in actually teaching the basic subjects.

He stated that they were far more interested in indoctrinating young minds with their personal political agenda which was 100 percent Socialist.

He stated that they were not interested in teaching children "How" to think. They simply wanted to teach them "What" to think. I have seen it in the lessons my own children bring home. Very often there is a social agenda being worked even in the most mundane of subjects...

It is no wonder many of the kids graduating these days don't have even the most basic of an education but they are totally up on their Social Outrage and looking for an opportunity to be offended!

 

[Scott85]

Do firearms have “Karma”

When I first began going into gun stores the only semi-autos were M1 Garand 30-06’s and M1 Carbines. Just picking one up felt right. It was like a sense of pride and goodness was in my hands.

The various M1 Carbine knock-offs had no such magic. They were never held by heroes.

The Ruger Mini hit the scene in 1973. Looked like an M 14 that never grew up. Until later, history jumped right over the M-14. Somewhere back in time I had a Springfield National Match M1-A

My Remington 722 in .257 Roberts was way more accurate. I sold the M1 A without regret.

It seemed like a long time before Colt AR’s were on the gun racks. Most of the ones used in Vietnam, M-16’s were selective fire, Colt held the patent until 1977 and was pretty busy filling military contracts. After the patent expired tons of Colt knock offs came, but none ever felt to me the way the Garand and M1 Carbine felt or even a genuine Colt AR15. Only Colts are Colts. A Colt SAA feels way better than knock offs.

The AR 15 knock offs felt confusing to me. Never used by our troops, Mixed Karma.

Going into the late 1980’s the merchandise in the gun stores changed forever. FN-Fal’s in 308, Uzi’s, Mac10 semi auto pistols and the dragon of all, the 12 gauge “Street Sweeper”. Then the final firearm Karma crash came when the AK-47’s and SKS's were being imported here en mass from former Soviet block countries. The customers in gun stores changed too,,,far less hunters'/sport shooters and more fellows who looked like gang-bangers and bikers.

It got so that gangs in the big cities where armed better than the cops with their model 15 S and W six s guns and pump shotguns, Cops were afraid to go into the projects, for good reasons.


During that period I was spending a lot if time vising a dear friend who was a World War two vet.

He was given the last name “Foster” because he was a product of foster care and an orphanage. Nobody ever knew his real name or date of birth. He was offered several versions about why, but they came from different people at the orphanage, told to him as he got older. The most consistent story is that right at the beginning of the Great Depression, he was just dropped him off at dawn one day and whoever did that drove away.


They figured he was maybe around four years old then but nobody knew for sure. He was quiet, hardly spoke and when asked his name he just mumbled something unrecognizable.


About 14 years later when he volunteered to enlist in WW2, the local Army recruiter could not take him with out a birth certificate. When he came back a year later determined to serve, he was accepted. It was getting closer to the end and he was stationed at an Army Air base in Iceland. Iceland is green, Greenland is icy.

There was so little military housing that many GI’s stayed with local families. He just adored the family he was with, real family, two kids, no orphans. His eyes got misty saying that. On his limited free time he went hunting for Caribou and ocean fishing with his new family. He never wanted to leave them.


One night going to sleep, the daughter who was his age smiled and gestured for him to join her. He did. First time for both. Her parents could tell what happened and the next morning were even more kind and friendly to him. They were sharing their daughters joy. Finally he had a complete family.


One morning he had this irritated feeling “down below” He went to get it checked out by the nurse and he had a critical infection,,,,athletes foot. He was doing a lot of showering at the barracks. He was on a plane home in a few days. In a place as cold, dark and damp as Iceland. athletes foot was a serous issue.

He barely has a chance to say goodbye to his new family. They all cried and hugged him.

He was about 65 when I met him, Our period of friendship was from the mid 1980’s to the early 1990’s when he died of cancer. He had some acreage in a lovely remote canyon miles from the big city. Deer were everywhere and he let me access otherwise locked National Forest, with some strict rules.

He had neighbors around and mostly they got along except for one constant issue. A couple weekends most every month one neighbor had friends and family came up from the city and spent a couple days hammering away with various semiautomatic firearms.


My friend liked firearms, he would shoot now and then at his house but mostly at the local designated shooting area in National Forest.


One day we were talking about all the firearms issue I described above plus the beginning of school shootings and he said: “ Our country is in big trouble.”

So, do firearms have Karma attached to them?


Before the assault rifle ban in 1994, I bought a Colt AR-15 Z. Colt only made 150 of these. Target sights, heavy bullet twist and factory Teflon camo finish with a “Z” on the front of the magazine well.

Other than 12 shots to sight it in, it is NIB. I keep it in my “war chest” untouched for near 40 years with tons of ammo and genuine Colt mags. Next to it is Series 70 .45 ACP Colt Commander, also with tons of ammo and Colt magazines.

Colt is Colt. And firearms do have Karma. These two firearms are one purpose only and sadly AR 15’s are now the rifle of choice for murdering innocent people and school children.

Some Native Americans made two different types of arrow heads. One style for war and one for hunting. Two totally different Karmic journeys.

Sure that happened as described. I wonder if she was arrested.
“In a familiar pattern, not everyone was happy about this. At the height of occupation, military personnel outnumbered Iceland’s entire male population. There was particular concern over romances between Icelandic women and foreign soldiers. The phenomenon had its own name – ástandið, meaning “the condition” or “the situation” – and the women involved were often labelled prostitutes or traitors. The Minister of the Judiciary actually appointed a committee to address the matter (apparently with little success). In 1942, two institutions opened to house “corrupted” women but both closed in the following year, as it became clear most relationships were between consenting adults.”

Also seems like there was plenty of housing available to hold every GI.

“As for housing, General Chaney's plan was to make use of the Nissen huts vacated by the British units scheduled for relief. The total number of men who could thus be housed would come to about 22,000, but the British, he reported, would deliver enough material for huts to accommodate the remainder of the American forces. The inevitable overlapping period between the arrival of troops from America and the departure of corresponding British units for England would, according to General Chaney, present the gravest problem. During this period either the British or Americans would have to live in tents. He therefore regarded it as absolutely essential that the first American Army contingent arrive in Iceland by 1 August. When he informed the War Department that the British would deliver the material for all additional huts necessary, General Chaney had neglected to say how many this would be. The War Plans Division, clearly skeptical, requested immediate confirmation that the British could furnish the 3,128 huts that the War Department figures indicated would be required. [39] General Chaney, it then transpired, had calculated that less than half this number would be necessary. Whereas the War Department estimated that accommodations for 10,000 additional men would be needed (including any British units remaining through the winter), General Chaney figured on 7,000. The War Department estimate for hospital facilities and storage was three times as high as his. And finally, General Chaney took no account of space for headquarters, mess, kitchens, and dayrooms, for which the War Department figured an additional 1,008 huts would be needed. What the British would provide was a total of 1,336 huts, General Chaney replied to War.”

 

[MTGomer]

I absolutely agree.

Wearing an AR, 3 magazines, and a handgun waving a "Don't tread on me." Flag into a McDonalds has a similar effect on a lot of people as a dude in a thong, rollerblading, waving a pride flag into the same location.

That family sitting there eating didn't care before you did that. Now they've developed a distaste for it.

The fat guy with a bunch of tactical kit on the street corner is to us what a man with an Adam’s apple and a big hairy schlong, that insists you’re a bigot if he can’t perform drag for your 6 year old, is to the nice gay couple that just want to be married and left alone.

I too don’t think that open carry should be banned, but it’s stupid in most situations.

 

[MTGomer]

Once the last of the baby boomers like myself age out hunting will have lost 40% of it's numbers by population. There is no turn around coming.

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A lot of us are looking forward to the day when baby boomers age out of a lot of things. Like running our country into the ground. Or running anything at all.
The days of universal basic computer literacy in the work place are on the horizon!

 

[BrentD]

A lot of us are looking forward to the day when baby boomers age out of a lot of things. Like running our country into the ground. Or running anything at all.
The days of universal basic computer literacy in the work place are on the horizon!

Pardon me while I laugh my ass off
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