‘25-‘26 Upland Bird Thread

[Birdbander]

We started down that path twice and both times I didn't like it. t's not for me

You're not alone. It's not for me either.

 

[El Jason]

Not to derail this, but FF is one of the most misunderstood facets of dog training. All you are doing is using pressure and release to make retrieving a non-optional task, just like a sit, a down stay, recall, etc. I doubt you folks are using natural cooperation to reinforce those under distraction. Not sure why you’d do so for retrieving, but that’s my humble opinion.

Back to pictures.

 

[brymoore]

Not to derail this, but FF is one of the most misunderstood facets of dog training. All you are doing is using pressure and release to make retrieving a non-optional task, just like a sit, a down stay, recall, etc. I doubt you folks are using natural cooperation to reinforce those under distraction. Not sure why you’d do so for retrieving, but that’s my humble opinion.

Back to pictures.

I’ve had good success with FF with the GSPs I’ve owned. They thrived with the training.

I’ve tried it a few times with my setters. It hasn’t worked so far. They get emotional and ask why don’t I love them. I get weak and give up with a big hug.

 

[El Jason]

I’ve had good success with FF with the GSPs I’ve owned. They thrived with the training.

I’ve tried it a few times with my setters. It hasn’t worked so far. They get emotional and ask why don’t I love them. I get weak and give up with a big hug.

That’s fair. Not every dog handles pressure the same. Sometimes you have to adapt the approach.

 

[Irrelevant]

I'm sure FF works for many dogs and many trainers. Tucker and I are not one of them.

 

[El Jason]

I'm sure FF works for many dogs and many trainers. Tucker and I are not one of them.

Then days like you had are going to happen. FF is really just obedience training.

 

[El Jason]

I need to find time to get back to this spot before a snow starts piling up, but the allure of steelhead is winning.