Yvon Chouinard on Meateater Podcast
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Jmnhunter
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i'm only about 20 min in, but enjoy it so far, I have very little experience with Patagonia besides seeing the brand name every once in awhile, but first impressions from their brand is focusing on the elitist trout fishermen, rock climbers, and hikers?
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I'm guessing you meant elitist? If so, I don't think so, they make and market pretty decent technical clothing that's pretty useful actually.
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Or how to save wolves from extinction... Better yet, the griz from the evil trophy hunters. We agree, Wllm.
Sometimes I think that it is actually best that the heroes of the hunting community are dead. They would be lambasted and ridiculed as liberals idiots if they were alive today.
We reached the old wolf in time to watch a fierce green fire dying in her
eyes. I realized then, and have known ever since, that there was something
new to me in those eyes - something known only to her and to the
mountain. I was young then, and full of trigger-itch; I thought that because
fewer wolves meant more deer, that no wolves would mean hunters'
paradise. But after seeing the green fire die, I sensed that neither the wolf
nor the mountain agreed with such a view.
-Aldo Leopold
Read the whole thing.
There are those that hunt the mountain and there are those that hunt and think about the mountain, the later are those that become conservationist.
Yyon has spent more time on the mountain than your or I ever will. During his lifetime the last wolf and grizzly were killed in Colorado, and he watched both of those species almost disappear from the lower 48. There were no grizzlies in Colorado when I was born, during my lifetime there population along with that of wolves has steadily increased. Our baseline perspective on these species is different. Yyon's feelings towards those species are anachronistic, and yet understandable.
I'm not defending his position, in fact I completely disagree with it, but like Leopold I recognize that his opinions come from a lifetime of experience and thoughtful consideration based on those experiences.
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BigHornRam
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I find it refreshing to hear arrogant global elitist run their mouth and inadvertently explain to everyone the genius of the constitution.
An interesting conversation. While I don't agree with some of his views I do get a kick out of a public figure / businessman that is willing to share their thoughts without giving AF what anyone thinks about it. Where have we seen that before? At least he acknowledged his hypocrisy. Seems like he's almost a normal human.
At least he acknowledged his hypocrisy. Seems like he's almost a normal human.
onpoint
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"........first impressions from their brand is focusing on the elist trout fishermen, rock climbers, and hikers"?
First impressions are interesting. Patagonia's been around a long time. I've made fun of them for years. Years ago called 'em "patacantaffordagonia", then "Patagucci", more recently "Pataflat-hatagonia".
However,the best pair of warm weather bird hunting pants I ever had is a Patagonia pair. Beat the shit out of them, four years later - still wearing 'em today. Bought another pair before they got discontinued - If you want a real bitch about outdoor company's..... By contrast, I bought a pair of those hard core hunter lauded First Lite pants - fell apart after one season, JUNK.............................
"Sometimes I think that it is actually best that the heroes of the hunting community are dead. They would be lambasted and ridiculed as liberals idiots if they were alive today". And, "I find it refreshing to hear arrogant global elitist run their mouth ".
Teddy R (Republican....) the great American hunting - more importantly, conservation and public lands - hero, was a real "elitist" in his day. Quite arrogant, too. Imagine how he'd be viewed in this time and by a lotta' people on this very forum - some of which adore him today.
But his arrogance, audacity, and tenacity was backed up by a lotta' witnessing and experience. Amazing the broader the experience, the broader (and more threatening to many) the view..........
Then there's the ubiquitous arrogance combined with ignorance, a really dangerous and insidious combination..........................................................................................
First impressions are interesting. Patagonia's been around a long time. I've made fun of them for years. Years ago called 'em "patacantaffordagonia", then "Patagucci", more recently "Pataflat-hatagonia".
However,the best pair of warm weather bird hunting pants I ever had is a Patagonia pair. Beat the shit out of them, four years later - still wearing 'em today. Bought another pair before they got discontinued - If you want a real bitch about outdoor company's..... By contrast, I bought a pair of those hard core hunter lauded First Lite pants - fell apart after one season, JUNK.............................
"Sometimes I think that it is actually best that the heroes of the hunting community are dead. They would be lambasted and ridiculed as liberals idiots if they were alive today". And, "I find it refreshing to hear arrogant global elitist run their mouth ".
Teddy R (Republican....) the great American hunting - more importantly, conservation and public lands - hero, was a real "elitist" in his day. Quite arrogant, too. Imagine how he'd be viewed in this time and by a lotta' people on this very forum - some of which adore him today.
But his arrogance, audacity, and tenacity was backed up by a lotta' witnessing and experience. Amazing the broader the experience, the broader (and more threatening to many) the view..........
Then there's the ubiquitous arrogance combined with ignorance, a really dangerous and insidious combination..........................................................................................
BrentD
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There is a well known and recognized mathematical theorem :
Arrogance + Ignorance = Stupidity
onpoint
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This - in this age of more info available at our fingertips than at any time in human history?
If that theorem was advanced by a sciuntest, he/she was either trying to advance an agenda or just hoping to keep his/her grant stream coming........................
Back to giving a shit what a famous guy had to say to another famous guy on the internet.
npaden
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That was my take on it as well. I also thought his views on the Constitution being obsolete and that California should have more Senators than other states was a good indicator of his political thinking.
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Totally agree.
"Teddy R (Republican....)"- well except this... Roosevelt left the republican part and started the Progressive party.
The Bull Moose party platform:
-Strict limits and disclosure requirements on political campaign contributions
-A national health service to include all existing government medical agencies.
-Social insurance, to provide for the elderly, the unemployed, and the disabled
-A minimum wage law for women
-An eight-hour workday
-An inheritance tax
-Workers' compensation for work-related injuries
Roosevelt was very pro labor, fairly anti-business, very pro-military (albeit) in a age before the military industrial complex, of post WWII.
In the current political space he probably was most similar to Bernie (with noted differences). Fox news would definitely be calling him a Commie.
I found the conversation suprisingly interesting. I walked away with the feeling that he is a well travelled 80 year old man with a passion for climbing and the outdoors. I liked that he spoke his mind without reservation even though I didnt agree with some of his opinions.
Reminiscent of a time when people could have different opinions, political and otherwise, and still converse about the things they have in common.
Reminiscent of a time when people could have different opinions, political and otherwise, and still converse about the things they have in common.
Your crazy to compare Teddy to Bernie.
Same here. If only there was a separate chamber where representation were based on population...
We could call it the House of representatives.
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Am I? You actually read through their platforms? Military/abortion/nationalism he was in sync with modern Republicans on, certainly not labor/economics/election reform (he was all about direct democracy) definitely not a fan of the electoral college), he hugely valued conservation and protecting the environment.
He definitely wouldn't be a Democrat... but closest presidential candidate today... yeah Bernie.
sorry the comparison is crazy
BigHornRam
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Bernie? I think Bullock would disagree with you wllm and has just as good of a chance at the nomination as Bernie.
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Bernie? I think Bullock would disagree with you wllm and has just as good of a chance at the nomination as Bernie.
I'm sure he would
BigHornRam
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Right. No chance for the nomination. Bernie has no chance with Democrat establishment and has basically come down to a crazy old socialist standing on the corner yelling at people. Not at all inspiring.I'm sure he would
Can you project a little Teddy into Warren? Cause that's who the nomination will be.
