Weight Loss Drugs

[buckbull]

i guess i'll tell my story. My oldest son died at the age of 24. That was followed by a divorce. I let myself get up to 300 lbs.; A1C 10.4 and diabetic. Started Mounjaro about 1.5 years ago. I'm at 180 lbs and A1C is 5.1. I'd still like to lose another 20 lbs.

 

[homers]

What’s the cause for the obesity epidemic in the US? Could it be the food industry being allowed to poison us? Compare the US multinational food companies US ingredients vs the same product they sell in Canada and the EU.

 

[Addicting]

My oldest son died at the age of 24. That was followed by a divorce

Sorry to hear about this. My brother died at 22 and it tore my family apart for quite a few years.

 

[schmalts]

It should be hard to get these drugs, not being handed out like candy by a doctor. What I mean is the doctor should first prescribe seeing a dietician and exercise coach. Seeing a shrink about addictions wouldn't hurt but guess what, half the shrinks and health workers are fat. I get it that some people have addictions and food IMO is the addiction our media is trying to constantly cover up. No fat shaming... fat is beautiful, plus size models, fat people in all the ads and TV shows trying to normalize it. This country needs to get back to saying out loud being fat is NOT healthy, NOT normal, and NOT something to be proud of and promote. Both of my parents were very obese. My Mother and Brother both got stomach bypass surgery, My wife is obese with no signs of wanting to curb it. I have carb addictions and love beer and sweets so I know the problems with my weight but I hardcore MTB and or trail run a min of 3 times a week to justify eating what I like. If that doesn't keep my pant waistline from getting tight I cut back on the bad foods and control it. I am not ready to take the easy way out and start taking a drug for my bad habits. This country needs to get on board with bitch slapping the sugar industry and GMO food industry out of our stores. Half the reason people are fat is the crap they eat, the other half is being a couch potato. Again, not against these drugs, just against them being used by doctors and people as a first path of losing weight. I read a good quote the other day. : "If grocery stores have a health food isle, what is the rest of the store?" And again, I am not against people who take these but it should not be the easy way out. Even more alarming is seeing the kids these days being so fat.

 

[peterk1234]

It should be hard to get these drugs, not being handed out like candy by a doctor. What I mean is the doctor should first prescribe seeing a dietician and exercise coach. Seeing a shrink about addictions wouldn't hurt but guess what, half the shrinks and health workers are fat. I get it that some people have addictions and food IMO is the addiction our media is trying to constantly cover up. No fat shaming... fat is beautiful, plus size models, fat people in all the ads and TV shows trying to normalize it. This country needs to get back to saying out loud being fat is NOT healthy, NOT normal, and NOT something to be proud of and promote. Both of my parents were very obese. My Mother and Brother both got stomach bypass surgery, My wife is obese with no signs of wanting to curb it. I have carb addictions and love beer and sweets so I know the problems with my weight but I hardcore MTB and or trail run a min of 3 times a week to justify eating what I like. If that doesn't keep my pant waistline from getting tight I cut back on the bad foods and control it. I am not ready to take the easy way out and start taking a drug for my bad habits. This country needs to get on board with bitch slapping the sugar industry and GMO food industry out of our stores. Half the reason people are fat is the crap they eat, the other half is being a couch potato. Again, not against these drugs, just against them being used by doctors and people as a first path of losing weight. I read a good quote the other day. : "If grocery stores have a health food isle, what is the rest of the store?" And again, I am not against people who take these but it should not be the easy way out. Even more alarming is seeing the kids these days being so fat.

Our medical industry is built on treating, not prevention. Prevention is bad for business.

 

[WapitiBob]

Doing what it is suppose to do! Awesome. Were you able to get off or reduce Metformin or Gilpizide? or did you stop those when starting Oz?

I went from 257 down to 234 and am just on a maintenance dose. 230 was my target and I will redraw all my lab numbers in a few months to verify that it helped. Felt better up on the mountain without 20 extra pounds!

Same dosage of met and glip thru it all.

 

[WapitiBob]

It should be hard to get these drugs, not being handed out like candy by a doctor.

Why?
OZ costs $42/month when prescribed for diabetes and covered by Medicare. A whole lot cheaper than the medical costs associated with obesity and diabetes. I’d like to see it available to the gen pop for half that.

 

[buckbull]

Why?
OZ costs $42/month when prescribed for diabetes and covered by Medicare. A whole lot cheaper than the medical costs associated with obesity and diabetes. I’d like to see it available to the gen pop for half that.

As a diabetic who uses Mounjaro to control my condition it does suck to have it constantly out of stock. The last six months I have only got my prescription filled on time twice. Wish the folks who actually need it would have priority over those who are taking for weight loss only.

 

[schmalts]

Why?
OZ costs $42/month when prescribed for diabetes and covered by Medicare. A whole lot cheaper than the medical costs associated with obesity and diabetes. I’d like to see it available to the gen pop for half that.

Because too many people taking drugs instead of adjusting diet and activity levels. Not everyone but many. We didn't have this problem 40 years ago like today. What's changed? Type 2 diabetes in kids wasn't even a thing 40 years ago.

 

[Caseknife]

It should be hard to get these drugs, not being handed out like candy by a doctor. What I mean is the doctor should first prescribe seeing a dietician and exercise coach. Seeing a shrink about addictions wouldn't hurt but guess what, half the shrinks and health workers are fat. I get it that some people have addictions and food IMO is the addiction our media is trying to constantly cover up. No fat shaming... fat is beautiful, plus size models, fat people in all the ads and TV shows trying to normalize it. This country needs to get back to saying out loud being fat is NOT healthy, NOT normal, and NOT something to be proud of and promote. Both of my parents were very obese. My Mother and Brother both got stomach bypass surgery, My wife is obese with no signs of wanting to curb it. I have carb addictions and love beer and sweets so I know the problems with my weight but I hardcore MTB and or trail run a min of 3 times a week to justify eating what I like. If that doesn't keep my pant waistline from getting tight I cut back on the bad foods and control it. I am not ready to take the easy way out and start taking a drug for my bad habits. This country needs to get on board with bitch slapping the sugar industry and GMO food industry out of our stores. Half the reason people are fat is the crap they eat, the other half is being a couch potato. Again, not against these drugs, just against them being used by doctors and people as a first path of losing weight. I read a good quote the other day. : "If grocery stores have a health food isle, what is the rest of the store?" And again, I am not against people who take these but it should not be the easy way out. Even more alarming is seeing the kids these days being so fat.

Very well said! I've always had the belief that if you can't easily pronounce the ingredients, your body can't process said ingredient. Avoid the middle of the grocery store, shop around the edges, fresh foods, whole foods, avoid the processed crap, your body will thank you. The lines at the fast food places is always long at lunch time and after work. Take leftovers for lunch, cook your own meals, don't go out for dinner or stop for fast-food on the way home.

 

[nrpate05]

What’s the cause for the obesity epidemic in the US? Could it be the food industry being allowed to poison us? Compare the US multinational food companies US ingredients vs the same product they sell in Canada and the EU.

Well obviously it is because there is a lack of available pharmaceutical drugs to treat it.

 

[schmalts]

Well obviously it is because there is a lack of available pharmaceutical drugs to treat it.

I read Putin banned GMO grain in Russia. True? I have a friend that went to Italy with his sisters that were both gluten intolerant. He said they had no problems eating pasta and bread there

 

[wolfpup]

Let's not forget that people used to die much younger for untreated heart and diabetic issues. Back to the original topic of the post..... the drugs work for those that need them. They are not meant to be a lifetime medication but rather a cure for a condition that you adapt out of.

 

[Fire_9]

Let's not forget that people used to die much younger for untreated heart and diabetic issues. Back to the original topic of the post..... the drugs work for those that need them. They are not meant to be a lifetime medication but rather a cure for a condition that you adapt out of.

The people that actually NEED drugs is pretty small. The people that are prescribed drugs is astronomical. Our society is under educated and over prescribed...

 

[wolfpup]

The people that actually NEED drugs is pretty small. The people that are prescribed drugs is astronomical. Our society is under educated and over prescribed...

Truth!

 

[Johnny Bravo]

I read Putin banned GMO grain in Russia. True? I have a friend that went to Italy with his sisters that were both gluten intolerant. He said they had no problems eating pasta and bread there

This does not surprise me at all...

 

[nrpate05]

Let's not forget that people used to die much younger for untreated heart and diabetic issues. Back to the original topic of the post..... the drugs work for those that need them. They are not meant to be a lifetime medication but rather a cure for a condition that you adapt out of.

They aren't meant to be lifelong drugs, but that is how they are being pushed by doctors. Prescribing to kids as young as 12 and pushing for 6 years old. If the trend continues, this Ozempic will likely be the most profitable drug ever created. I think it is time we look at the root cause.

 

[Islander]

SUGAR = the anti-weight loss drug. Eliminate it completely. No sugar. No added sugar. Eat nothing with a sweetener of any kind as an added ingredient. That includes "fake sugar" sweeteners. Once you don't eat ANY sugar, you don't get huge cravings. Your blood glucose stabilizes. You overeat less. You crave food when genuinely hungry. Your gut biome stops sending hunger pangs to your brain when you are not actually hungry.

Literally the only drug you need, is no sugar.

Yes, this is a generalization. But it will work for the vast majority of people.

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From my little AI genuis:
Effects on your body and brain when eliminating all added sugars and sweeteners:

1. Improved blood sugar control:
   • More stable blood glucose levels throughout the day
   • Reduced risk of insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes
2. Weight management:
   • Potential weight loss, especially if a significant amount of calories came from added sugars
   • Reduced risk of obesity
3. Dental health:
   • Decreased risk of tooth decay and gum disease
4. Improved heart health:
   • Potential reduction in triglycerides and blood pressure
   • Decreased risk of heart disease
5. Better skin health:
   • Possible reduction in acne and inflammation
   • Potential improvement in skin aging processes
6. Reduced inflammation:
   • Chronic inflammation, linked to various diseases, may decrease
7. Improved gut health:
   • Better balance of gut bacteria
   • Reduced risk of candida overgrowth

Brain effects:

1. Improved cognitive function:
   • Better concentration and mental clarity
   • Reduced brain fog
2. Mood stabilization:
   • Less prone to energy crashes and mood swings
   • Potential improvement in symptoms of anxiety and depression
3. Better sleep:
   • Improved sleep quality due to more stable blood sugar levels
4. Reduced cravings:
   • After an adjustment period, sugar cravings typically decrease
5. Altered taste perception:
   • Foods may taste sweeter as taste buds become more sensitive
6. Potential neuroprotective effects:
   • Reduced risk of cognitive decline and neurodegenerative diseases

Adaptation period:

• Initial withdrawal symptoms like headaches, irritability, and fatigue may occur for a few days to weeks
• Cravings may be intense at first but usually subside over time

Long-term considerations:

1. Increased awareness of nutrition:
   • You'll likely become more conscious of food ingredients and nutrition labels
2. Challenges in social situations:
   • Many processed and prepared foods contain added sugars, which can make eating out or at social events more challenging
3. Potential nutrient adequacy:
   • Unlike eliminating all sugars, this approach shouldn't risk nutrient deficiencies if whole fruits, vegetables, and grains are still consumed
4. Improved relationship with food:
   • Many people report a healthier relationship with food and reduced addiction-like behaviors towards sugary foods

Remember, while eliminating added sugars and sweeteners can have numerous health benefits, it's still important to maintain a balanced diet with a variety of whole foods. Natural sugars from fruits, vegetables, and whole grains provide important nutrients and fiber.

 

[Exhausted]

SUGAR = the anti-weight loss drug. Eliminate it completely. No sugar. No added sugar. Eat nothing with a sweetener of any kind as an added ingredient. That includes "fake sugar" sweeteners. Once you don't eat ANY sugar, you don't get huge cravings. Your blood glucose stabilizes. You overeat less. You crave food when genuinely hungry. Your gut biome stops sending hunger pangs to your brain when you are not actually hungry.

Literally the only drug you need, is no sugar.

Yes, this is a generalization. But it will work for the vast majority of people.

~~~~~~~~~~
From my little AI genuis:
Effects on your body and brain when eliminating all added sugars and sweeteners:

1. Improved blood sugar control:
   • More stable blood glucose levels throughout the day
   • Reduced risk of insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes
2. Weight management:
   • Potential weight loss, especially if a significant amount of calories came from added sugars
   • Reduced risk of obesity
3. Dental health:
   • Decreased risk of tooth decay and gum disease
4. Improved heart health:
   • Potential reduction in triglycerides and blood pressure
   • Decreased risk of heart disease
5. Better skin health:
   • Possible reduction in acne and inflammation
   • Potential improvement in skin aging processes
6. Reduced inflammation:
   • Chronic inflammation, linked to various diseases, may decrease
7. Improved gut health:
   • Better balance of gut bacteria
   • Reduced risk of candida overgrowth

Brain effects:

1. Improved cognitive function:
   • Better concentration and mental clarity
   • Reduced brain fog
2. Mood stabilization:
   • Less prone to energy crashes and mood swings
   • Potential improvement in symptoms of anxiety and depression
3. Better sleep:
   • Improved sleep quality due to more stable blood sugar levels
4. Reduced cravings:
   • After an adjustment period, sugar cravings typically decrease
5. Altered taste perception:
   • Foods may taste sweeter as taste buds become more sensitive
6. Potential neuroprotective effects:
   • Reduced risk of cognitive decline and neurodegenerative diseases

Adaptation period:

• Initial withdrawal symptoms like headaches, irritability, and fatigue may occur for a few days to weeks
• Cravings may be intense at first but usually subside over time

Long-term considerations:

1. Increased awareness of nutrition:
   • You'll likely become more conscious of food ingredients and nutrition labels
2. Challenges in social situations:
   • Many processed and prepared foods contain added sugars, which can make eating out or at social events more challenging
3. Potential nutrient adequacy:
   • Unlike eliminating all sugars, this approach shouldn't risk nutrient deficiencies if whole fruits, vegetables, and grains are still consumed
4. Improved relationship with food:
   • Many people report a healthier relationship with food and reduced addiction-like behaviors towards sugary foods

Remember, while eliminating added sugars and sweeteners can have numerous health benefits, it's still important to maintain a balanced diet with a variety of whole foods. Natural sugars from fruits, vegetables, and whole grains provide important nutrients and fiber.

 

[nrpate05]

SUGAR = the anti-weight loss drug. Eliminate it completely. No sugar. No added sugar. Eat nothing with a sweetener of any kind as an added ingredient. That includes "fake sugar" sweeteners. Once you don't eat ANY sugar, you don't get huge cravings. Your blood glucose stabilizes. You overeat less. You crave food when genuinely hungry. Your gut biome stops sending hunger pangs to your brain when you are not actually hungry.

Literally the only drug you need, is no sugar.

Yes, this is a generalization. But it will work for the vast majority of people.

~~~~~~~~~~
From my little AI genuis:
Effects on your body and brain when eliminating all added sugars and sweeteners:

1. Improved blood sugar control:
   • More stable blood glucose levels throughout the day
   • Reduced risk of insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes
2. Weight management:
   • Potential weight loss, especially if a significant amount of calories came from added sugars
   • Reduced risk of obesity
3. Dental health:
   • Decreased risk of tooth decay and gum disease
4. Improved heart health:
   • Potential reduction in triglycerides and blood pressure
   • Decreased risk of heart disease
5. Better skin health:
   • Possible reduction in acne and inflammation
   • Potential improvement in skin aging processes
6. Reduced inflammation:
   • Chronic inflammation, linked to various diseases, may decrease
7. Improved gut health:
   • Better balance of gut bacteria
   • Reduced risk of candida overgrowth

Brain effects:

1. Improved cognitive function:
   • Better concentration and mental clarity
   • Reduced brain fog
2. Mood stabilization:
   • Less prone to energy crashes and mood swings
   • Potential improvement in symptoms of anxiety and depression
3. Better sleep:
   • Improved sleep quality due to more stable blood sugar levels
4. Reduced cravings:
   • After an adjustment period, sugar cravings typically decrease
5. Altered taste perception:
   • Foods may taste sweeter as taste buds become more sensitive
6. Potential neuroprotective effects:
   • Reduced risk of cognitive decline and neurodegenerative diseases

Adaptation period:

• Initial withdrawal symptoms like headaches, irritability, and fatigue may occur for a few days to weeks
• Cravings may be intense at first but usually subside over time

Long-term considerations:

1. Increased awareness of nutrition:
   • You'll likely become more conscious of food ingredients and nutrition labels
2. Challenges in social situations:
   • Many processed and prepared foods contain added sugars, which can make eating out or at social events more challenging
3. Potential nutrient adequacy:
   • Unlike eliminating all sugars, this approach shouldn't risk nutrient deficiencies if whole fruits, vegetables, and grains are still consumed
4. Improved relationship with food:
   • Many people report a healthier relationship with food and reduced addiction-like behaviors towards sugary foods

Remember, while eliminating added sugars and sweeteners can have numerous health benefits, it's still important to maintain a balanced diet with a variety of whole foods. Natural sugars from fruits, vegetables, and whole grains provide important nutrients and fiber.

Yes, and eliminate processed foods. They are designed to be addictive and they aren't satiating at all. It is literally impossible to overeat steak.