USO Clarity..

[Moosie]

Will someone please tell me the Ruling on the USO ?

My understanding was they wanted the FULL 10% of the tags to NON Resident. I made a Post (that eventually got locked) and peole answered it like that IS why they sued. I jsut read a Letter posted by AZ402 saying there is NO cap on Non res......

Without pulling your Wankers out and slapping each other, can Someone explain this in simple terms. DID they sue to Abolish non-res caps or sue to get at least the 10% alotment.

thanx................

 

[AZ402]

They sued to abolish non-res caps. Boy George said they only wanted the full 10% but that is a bunch of BS. As of right now Oscar you and I are on the same playing field in AZ and NV. I've pulled my wanker out but I'm slapping it myself.............

 

[Moosie]

Ahhh.. see, thanx for the Update.... Someone should have Set me straight back then, I jsut changed my thoughts on USO.

 

[schmalts]

The part about USO just wanting the original 10% has yet to be confimed. I know this will piss off Stan but USO claims they went to AZ and said they wanted a flat 10% and AZ told them to pound sand. USO couldnt take AZ to court to get the 10% because there was no way to do it, so they went to court with getting the whole nonres quota dropped, and won. But it didnt just effect AZ, since it was a higher court than AZ it effected more than AZ.
Stan, I agree this all sucks, but do we have proof that USO originally only wanted 10% ?
Oscar, Why dont you call USO and get thier side of the story, then call the AZ F&G and see what they say. Not to say we dont know what we are talking about but we werent in the room during the time AZ and USO met.
I am against what happened in this case, it is screwing up everything to the point that it is getting to the point where the federal govt will have to make some stance on this. If in fact USO did only want 10% and AZ didnt agree that is a shame, now look at where we are, AZ looking at pricing the common man out of hunting in AZ as an only option to level the playing field.

 

[AZ402]

I've emailed George several times and he has responded each time. He has told me he only wanted 10%, I call BS. If you think he only wanted 10% re-read his letter. He'll soon be going after all the caps in all the draws.

He used an interstate commerce law saying he couldn't make money. He only sued for bull elk tags and the deer tags north of the Colorado River. He wasn't looking out for the non-residents that hunt Coues and Muleys in Southern AZ. He didn't care about the non-resident meat hunters who put in for cow. He only cares about lining his pockets. His attempt to make his money will ruin it for resident and the regular working man non-residents.

 

[JoseCuervo]

I've emailed George several times and he has responded each time. He has told me he only wanted 10%, I call BS. If you think he only wanted 10% re-read his letter. He'll soon be going after all the caps in all the draws.

He used an interstate commerce law saying he couldn't make money. He only sued for bull elk tags and the deer tags north of the Colorado River. He wasn't looking out for the non-residents that hunt Coues and Muleys in Southern AZ. He didn't care about the non-resident meat hunters who put in for cow. He only cares about lining his pockets. His attempt to make his money will ruin it for resident and the regular working man non-residents.

Shouldn't he just care about making money, he is a corporation, this is America, we allow Capitalism.....

If you think he made a bad business decision, and all the lame boycotts will backfire on him, then you should laugh at his failure.

Bottom line is the AZ residents tried to screw the non-residents (and the keep trying with the increased $3200 bull tag ceilings). The AZ residents got what they brought upon themselves.

 

[Point Creep]

Taulman is just trying to make some money like a good pimp. Elkgunner, if you had to wait 5 years or so just to draw a license bow-hunt elk for a week in your own state, would you be feeling extra generous regarding non-resident tag allocaton? I bet you'd be singing a different tune if you were living in Phoenix.

 

[schmalts]

I took the bull by the horns today and called USO and actually talked with Taulman for about a half hour. I still say i am leary about some of his intentions. And i do have to say that it was something to hear it right from his mouth on other things.
I am an honest person, I told him FLAT OUT i dont trust him because of the way the nonresidents that use an outfitter that apply in NM get a seperate allotment of tags than the DIY nonres. I asked him what was up with that, he told me he was against it when it came up. Dont know what to believe there. He said he is against any state that has a manditory guide requirement, he told me he is against the outfitter tags in MT, and other states.
Damn, either he is a lier or i am thinking he is thinking about the common man.
He brought up the whole scam with the UT lottery next year that will screw the nonresident, he is totally against it but he said he isnt going to persue it because if the 10th circuit court deal holds up it will all be irrelivant.
He told me exactly what went down with the meetings he had with the Game commision at the beginning of the AZ ordeal. I do have to believe him on this one...
Once again, this is just what i heard from the horses mouth. not my opinion.
And i did tell him flat out i dont trust his intentions, I told him i worried that him and AZ were going to make a secret compromise and allow outfitter only tags. He denied that was what he wanted and he was against it in any state including his own state.
So, Moosie, i think you need to make a phone call. Tell him who you are and you will get put through to him I am sure.
Lets here what you can get from the horses mouth.
There was more he told me but it didnt pertain to this topic, but to NV and MT and WY.

 

[Point Creep]

What did the "horses mouth" have to say about MT, WY, and NV? Did you end up with a bunch of snake oil too?

 

[ringer]

Give me a break! You believe Taulman was against the outfitter allottment in NM? That has to be a huge windfall for his business. You can believe whatever you want and the tooth fairy will deliver your do-it-yourself tags this year. It is true that he originally asked for 10% and AZG&F balked. Dumb on them as all of the resident hunters here would be fine with that as the actual was around 8%. Do I believe USO would have gone away. Not a chance and we would be in the same pickle. Bottom line is Taulman will cost you a bunch of dollars in all states with trophy elk, white tail and muleys. Fees can be argued all you want but those will hold up in court and have the backing of the legislatures. If the caps in AZ are reached I will pay $350 for an area that was $78 last year so how good is that for residents? The guy is a criminal and is damaging our sport IMO.

 

[JoseCuervo]

Taulman is just trying to make some money like a good pimp. Elkgunner, if you had to wait 5 years or so just to draw a license bow-hunt elk for a week in your own state, would you be feeling extra generous regarding non-resident tag allocaton? I bet you'd be singing a different tune if you were living in Phoenix.

Greenhorn,

Go take a basic Econ class at the local Community College....

 

[schmalts]

Whao, Ringer, I tried to word this all as careful as i could. I didnt say i believed anything he said except what he said went down with the first meeting in AZ with him only pushing for a true 10% allotment. I am not going to give out anymore info on this conversation if you guys dont settle down and listen to my words... I DID NOT say anything else i believed, I just wanted to hear it for myself.
As far as the true 10% thing in AZ, to form my own opinion from facts i will now try to call someone high up in the AZ F&G and hear what they have to say.
This can take a while, anyone have any connections to a phone number that may get me someone on the line without starting from the bottom?
Help me help you hear what really is goin down. I am trying to do this as unbiased as possible and form judgement on facts.
Greenhorn, I can tell you just a little on what he said on MT, He said (as best as i can rember, i wish i recorded it) that when he walked into the room with (dont remember if it was the commish, or director, or whateve so dont quote me) some high up person, They said "we know why you are here, and i agree with what you are doing, but this is very political and i have to fight against you because if i didnt it would lead to a huge uproar"
something to that effect, let me once again say, i didnt have a recorder so it maynot be exactly but it was something very close to that.
And once again, I am not forming an opinion, I will do that as i find out facts and talk directly with people as i go along. I am trying to uncover the truth, or at least share what i find out with you guys.
So Ringer, dont jump on me O.K. or i will bend you over and give you one of these hump
He told me a lot of other things and claimed that since he buys info on actual drawing odds in states and things like that there is actually what he called nonres extortion going on in some states. something to the effect where the state publishes one thing but in turn does another. It was interesting to say the least, at some of the things he had to say.
I called moosie this AM and told him he should call the dude and it will be entertaining at the least.

 

[Point Creep]

ElkGunner, I believe I took one at MSU in 1987. Maybe you can explain what "you think" I need to understand.

 

[AZ402]

Schmalts, I've had several email conversations with the semem sample himself. I don't trust or believe anything that he has to say. I think the letters he has written to his clientele says it all.

In the words of my main man Oscar from another board. Elkgunner, "STFUB"!

 

[JoseCuervo]

Schmalts, I've had several email conversations with the semem sample himself. I don't trust or believe anything that he has to say. I think the letters he has written to his clientele says it all.

In the words of my main man Oscar from another board. Elkgunner, "STFUB"!

And when you are guiding, it is not just about lining your own pockets? Anybody that makes money off of Public animals and/or public land is probably only worried about "lining their own pockets". It is not that big of a deal.

If USO made a bad move by whacking the AZGFD over the head, then it will come back and bite them. If not, they will make more money, which is their goal as a corporation. It is all just business when you start exploiting game animals for $$$$$

 

[ringer]

Shmalts-I still think you should come out here and hunt with me. Then we can post on who got bent and who didn't. I have followed your threads about USO and also the fee increases and think you would be best served to fight Taulman as that is the single reason the states are raising fees for all of us. I agree that AZG&F thought they would win and never really asked for hunter input but the result is nothing but bad for us all. He will not stop until all states are wide open for his business and then the apathy from regular hunters will kill the herds out from lack of interest in protecting them. The dollars would be there but no free labor or voting support to do the right thing for management. I don't think you and I are far apart on this issue.

 

[schmalts]

Ringer, your decription in the upper right hand corner doesnt say where you are from, I take it AZ?
Anyway, it may happen, I do have 6pts in AZ all bought and paid for. If there was any year to draw it would be this year i guess if i apply for archery tags. The only thing that worries me is you invited me to hunt with you because i threatened a hump on you