Ukraine / Russia

BigHornRam said:
I'm glad you included Ukraine. It might wake up a few people reading this, how good we have it here. Then again, they will probably still remain butthurt over how stacked the deck is against them.
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A buttload of butthurt is coming to fruition this November....

We still have a lot of great things to be proud of, but the gap between the haves and have nots is bigger than ever and is a far bigger factor than some give it credit for.

Doesn't help when we have a President who is openly hawking trinkets for money, building gold ballrooms, telling the american people that growing prices arent real, all while making over 2 BILLION dollars through grift that would make Boss Tweed blush.

And back to Ukraine...theres a clear tie there too. The business relationship Trump and his friends have with Russia is the reason the US hasnt granted Ukraine the weapons it needs to end the war.

The resolve and patriotism Ukrainian leaders and resistance fighters have shown against an oppressive, child stealing communist regime is incredible, and something this country used to celebrate.

The potential for the US to benefit from Ukraines resources by helping them is large...but it helps the people, it doesnt make more money for the Trumps.
 
Mountain Mule said:
Back on topic. Before the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, US intelligence agencies warned of the attack. Many people and countries didnt believe the reports. Curious to see if this goes the same way.

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Vlad will join the Iranian leaders at the pink mist breakfast club if that happens.
 
Mountain Mule said:
Back on topic. Before the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, US intelligence agencies warned of the attack. Many people and countries didnt believe the reports. Curious to see if this goes the same way.

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Hopefully it does not. Whether or not people choose to notice or sweep it under the rug remains to be seen.
 
Mountain Mule said:
Back on topic. Before the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, US intelligence agencies warned of the attack. Many people and countries didnt believe the reports. Curious to see if this goes the same way.

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I would say that direct military actions in Poland are very unlikely, "lost drones" or any other "mishaps" more likely. Belarus is distancing itself from Russia, tensions are growing internally, Muscovites feeling the effects of the war at home, etc, etc, etc. NATO has troops deployed in Poland and the Baltic states, attacking any of those countries would likely involve other NATO forces, and trigger a rapid NATO response, as opposed to attacking other NATO countries such as Georgia. These NATO troops are under a unified NATO command, and I am not sure how parent-country politics would play into a direct conflict on Alliance partners currently deployed in the area. I'm sure the respective NATO Battle Groups have orders, ROEs, and clear and concise guidance from their home countries for this exact scenario, regarding their respective areas of responsibilities. I wouldn't be surprised if some NATO forces were to be held back based on politics were something to happen, but I strongly believe the bulk of the Alliance would respond. Canada who commands the Latvia multi-national Battle Group, like many other NATO countries, has invested and plans on investing a crap ton of money locally. Bottom line, several NATO stakeholders are cementing their footprint in Europe to deter or react to, this exact scenario.

But you should always be careful around a wounded animal trapped in a corner. Russia's leadership knows things aren't going well and internal issues/pressure could lead to an actual Russian defeat, or them doing something extremely stupid: ie direct military actions against a NATO country. Who knows what can happen next?!

Regardless of what happens, once Putin dies, I fear there will be a significant power vacuum with ripples being felt throughout the region.
 
BigHornRam said:
The Sec of State right now is way more competent then his predessesor. You have little to worry about here.
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That's pretty rich. A half decent Secretary of State could have talked the president out of starting this mess in Iran.

Little Marco knew his political future was damaged when standing next to Trump and Lutnick during the memorandum of understanding announcement.


He knows he should have remained a Senator.
 
406dn said:
That's pretty rich. A half decent Secretary of State could have talked the president out of starting this mess in Iran.

Little Marco knew his political future was damaged when standing next to Trump and Lutnick during the memorandum of understanding announcement.


He knows he should have remained a Senator.
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I knew it would be minutes before you stepped up to complain. You failed to comment on the predessesor's competence in the lead up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. 🙂 Switching the topic again!
 
BigHornRam said:
I knew it would be minutes before you stepped up to complain. You failed to comment on the predessesor's competence in the lead up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. 🙂 Switching the topic again!
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You brought up little Marco's competence. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is not the fault of the US. The blame lays at Russia's feet. If Marco was competent he would have brought his pro NATO sentiments to bear, in this war. Ukraine might have prevailed by now, if we continued supporting their efforts.

Marco looks totally dejected in that video, and you know it.
 
406dn said:
You brought up little Marco's competence. The Russian invasion of Ukraine is not the fault of the US. The blame lays at Russia's feet. If Marco was competent he would have brought his pro NATO sentiments to bear, in this war. Ukraine might have prevailed by now, if we continued supporting their efforts.

Marco looks totally dejected in that video, and you know it.
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That was the first time I heard of oneindia news. The dramatic music and computer generated dialog was kind of creepy.
 
BigHornRam said:
I knew it would be minutes before you stepped up to complain. You failed to comment on the predessesor's competence in the lead up to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. 🙂 Switching the topic again!
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Russia started it. Many in congress wanted to help Ukraine end it--it isn't a classic partisan issue--which would have benefited the US as well. But Trump influenced republicans to sit on their hands and do very little.

Trumps direct ties to Russia--and indications they have embarrassing dirt on him and his actions/behaviors--may not have started the war, but Putin had ample reason to believe he could count on Trump not to intervene to help end it.

And by the way, this extends back to Trumps first term.




Links between Trump associates and Russian officials - Wikipedia

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Since we are covering a lot of subjects, I pondered this a bit ago.

Who in the last year has used their position of power, to enrich themselves more...Trump or Putin?
 
Bonasababy said:
Russia started it. Many in congress wanted to help Ukraine end it--it isn't a classic partisan issue--which would have benefited the US as well. But Trump influenced republicans to sit on their hands and do very little.

Trumps direct ties to Russia--and indications they have embarrassing dirt on him and his actions/behaviors--may not have started the war, but Putin had ample reason to believe he could count on Trump not to intervene to help end it.

And by the way, this extends back to Trumps first term.




Links between Trump associates and Russian officials - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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You still believe the Russian collusion hoax. No hope for you son!

Putin saw weakness in Obama/Biden and Biden. That and Europe's dependence on Russian natural gas embolden him to invade Ukraine.

Obama defends 2014 Crimea response: ‘We challenged Putin with the tools we had at the time’ https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...efends-2014-crimea-response-in-cnn-interview/

Russia ‘will move in’ to Ukraine, Biden predicts, but ‘minor incursion’ may prompt discussion over consequences | CNN Politics https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/19/politics/russia-ukraine-joe-biden-news-conference
 
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