MinnesotaHunter
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I don’t think Xi Xinping would be too keen on Putin pulling the trigger…
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I don’t think Xi Xinping would be too keen on Putin pulling the trigger…
EKYHunter
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Nick87
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Speak fo yo self.
BigHornRam
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Rio did that. Bad dog!That’s just pulling straight from your internet search history.
"I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades. And it depends on what it does. It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having a fight about what to do and not do."
This still considered a, "minor incursion" by our administration or is this the Ole, draw a line in the sand...
Some point you knock the bully otherwise it emboldens further bully mentality.
N. Korea attacks South Korea? U.S. going to sit back and watch for fear China will respond thus possible WWIII?
This still considered a, "minor incursion" by our administration or is this the Ole, draw a line in the sand...
Some point you knock the bully otherwise it emboldens further bully mentality.
N. Korea attacks South Korea? U.S. going to sit back and watch for fear China will respond thus possible WWIII?
Yeah, we've all heard it. Your sarcasm missed its mark though... like by a couple centuries.
antlerradar
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Putin knows what the Russian intelligence assessment of Biden is. I think there is reason to be concerned.
antlerradar
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I think you are right. Lets just hope that Putin doesn't get trigger happy and fail to consult with Xi before pushing the button.
Regarding Biden and nuclear war:
Nuclear fallout from the barrage of M.A.D. would leave the world in a radiation nightmare. At that point the world, as we know it, would transform into... human extinction or close to. Would likely trigger other nuclear conflicts, including China. The world would change...
"Guarding the Guardians: Civilian Control of Nuclear Weapons in the United States." - Peter Feaver.
A real insight into authority to launch a nuclear strike under various scenarios and his background shares a real eye opening understanding within this inner world.
Example, movies portray a strike as a required, "two man rule" for a President to order a launch. This does not exist. It's the President's decision alone that routes down through the chain of command where a two man rule exists to validate the order is authentic for those prepped to actually launch.
If it's an urgent response to an impending strike by another towards us, the President makes the order alone and it's concluded under 30 minutes, or so such a scenario is portrayed.
If it's an intended / planned strike, advisors would be involved in the decision however, even in that setting, the President alone makes the final decision.
Today, with hypersonic weapons and stealth nuclear-armed cruise missiles, U.S. NC3, imo, is a cold war past time. While Russia is presumed to have a, "Dead Man" process of computer automated nuclear strike release, U.S. is still dependent on the President to give the order. The limited response time makes us vulnerable and the design of, M.A.D. is jeopardized.
I've no clue how to keep a system check within ethical bounds though, Russia has a first strike ability that shifts the dynamics from cold war era detection time frame for response.
So when speaking of nuclear potential and considering modern capabilities, I'd be curious how well the M.A.D. process is mutually understood.
Our resident guru @MinnesotaHunter , might be able to shed a bit of perspective. Russia has placed their nuclear capabilities on high status at the beginning of this month, per APNews:
apnews.com
IMO, I believe Biden and advisors have already placed their action plan into play if Putin exceeded the James Clapper exaggerated Trump nuclear push button setting though regardless, Russia launches, even if U.S. doesn't respond quick enough, I believe a world power series of checker moves will provoke other less than stellar nuke countries to act.
If nuclear war took place, to use R.E.M.'s song, It's the end of the world as we know it, though im not inclined to say, I feel fine...
Nuclear fallout from the barrage of M.A.D. would leave the world in a radiation nightmare. At that point the world, as we know it, would transform into... human extinction or close to. Would likely trigger other nuclear conflicts, including China. The world would change...
"Guarding the Guardians: Civilian Control of Nuclear Weapons in the United States." - Peter Feaver.
A real insight into authority to launch a nuclear strike under various scenarios and his background shares a real eye opening understanding within this inner world.
Example, movies portray a strike as a required, "two man rule" for a President to order a launch. This does not exist. It's the President's decision alone that routes down through the chain of command where a two man rule exists to validate the order is authentic for those prepped to actually launch.
If it's an urgent response to an impending strike by another towards us, the President makes the order alone and it's concluded under 30 minutes, or so such a scenario is portrayed.
If it's an intended / planned strike, advisors would be involved in the decision however, even in that setting, the President alone makes the final decision.
Today, with hypersonic weapons and stealth nuclear-armed cruise missiles, U.S. NC3, imo, is a cold war past time. While Russia is presumed to have a, "Dead Man" process of computer automated nuclear strike release, U.S. is still dependent on the President to give the order. The limited response time makes us vulnerable and the design of, M.A.D. is jeopardized.
I've no clue how to keep a system check within ethical bounds though, Russia has a first strike ability that shifts the dynamics from cold war era detection time frame for response.
So when speaking of nuclear potential and considering modern capabilities, I'd be curious how well the M.A.D. process is mutually understood.
Our resident guru @MinnesotaHunter , might be able to shed a bit of perspective. Russia has placed their nuclear capabilities on high status at the beginning of this month, per APNews:
Putin puts nuclear forces on high alert, escalating tensions
President Vladimir Putin has ordered Russian nuclear forces on high alert amid tensions with the West over his invasion of Ukraine.
apnews.com
IMO, I believe Biden and advisors have already placed their action plan into play if Putin exceeded the James Clapper exaggerated Trump nuclear push button setting though regardless, Russia launches, even if U.S. doesn't respond quick enough, I believe a world power series of checker moves will provoke other less than stellar nuke countries to act.
If nuclear war took place, to use R.E.M.'s song, It's the end of the world as we know it, though im not inclined to say, I feel fine...
Must be, as I don't goggle anything. But he does draw the chicks...hmmm. Maybe he has a dating site?
VikingsGuy
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Not sure of the details, but it is my understanding that our nuke subs have a protocol to retaliate if mainland authority is destroyed. If Rus/Chi can’t eliminate the subs there is no chance of “winning” a first strike - that’s why we have them.Regarding Biden and nuclear war:
Nuclear fallout from the barrage of M.A.D. would leave the world in a radiation nightmare. At that point the world, as we know it, would transform into... human extinction or close to. Would likely trigger other nuclear conflicts, including China. The world would change...
"Guarding the Guardians: Civilian Control of Nuclear Weapons in the United States." - Peter Feaver.
A real insight into authority to launch a nuclear strike under various scenarios and his background shares a real eye opening understanding within this inner world.
Example, movies portray a strike as a required, "two man rule" for a President to order a launch. This does not exist. It's the President's decision alone that routes down through the chain of command where a two man rule exists to validate the order is authentic for those prepped to actually launch.
If it's an urgent response to an impending strike by another towards us, the President makes the order alone and it's concluded under 30 minutes, or so such a scenario is portrayed.
If it's an intended / planned strike, advisors would be involved in the decision however, even in that setting, the President alone makes the final decision.
Today, with hypersonic weapons and stealth nuclear-armed cruise missiles, U.S. NC3, imo, is a cold war past time. While Russia is presumed to have a, "Dead Man" process of computer automated nuclear strike release, U.S. is still dependent on the President to give the order. The limited response time makes us vulnerable and the design of, M.A.D. is jeopardized.
I've no clue how to keep a system check within ethical bounds though, Russia has a first strike ability that shifts the dynamics from cold war era detection time frame for response.
So when speaking of nuclear potential and considering modern capabilities, I'd be curious how well the M.A.D. process is mutually understood.
Our resident guru @MinnesotaHunter , might be able to shed a bit of perspective. Russia has placed their nuclear capabilities on high status at the beginning of this month, per APNews:
Putin puts nuclear forces on high alert, escalating tensions
President Vladimir Putin has ordered Russian nuclear forces on high alert amid tensions with the West over his invasion of Ukraine.
IMO, I believe Biden and advisors have already placed their action plan into play if Putin exceeded the James Clapper exaggerated Trump nuclear push button setting though regardless, Russia launches, even if U.S. doesn't respond quick enough, I believe a world power series of checker moves will provoke other less than stellar nuke countries to act.
If nuclear war took place, to use R.E.M.'s song, It's the end of the world as we know it, though im not inclined to say, I feel fine...
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longbow51
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Yeah, I thought he was all about "freedom"? Not only did he ban all opposition parties, he also merged all media to give a "uniform message". No wonder politicians on both sides love him.
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longbow51
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And don't forget "Wing Attack, Plan R".
VikingsGuy
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And Lincoln suspended habeas corpus - time to get your chisels and head to South Dakota.
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noharleyyet
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Is habits the southern translation Dan?
El Jason
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Hobbits if you’re a massholeIs habits the southern translation Dan?
I thought that was the case as well.
apologies if the text layout is not to par. Copy/paste from transcript + Peter Feaver touched on this as well.
Maybe it's a top secret option though only movies show our top secret shindig Intel.
This will prove to be a poor choice. Russia is going to continue to grind them down.
As Mariupol hangs on, the extent of the horror not yet known
As Mariupol’s defenders defiantly hold out, the number of bodies in the rubble of the bombarded and encircled Ukrainian city remain shrouded in uncertainty, the full extent of the horror not yet known.
Ukraine refuses to surrender.
