SnowyMountaineer
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Hey I’m on good behavior. The only Canadians I interact with now are from north and west of Manitoba, makes it easy.Yah that @JLS is a big time troll, oh yah that damn @SnowyMountaineer guy too!
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Hey I’m on good behavior. The only Canadians I interact with now are from north and west of Manitoba, makes it easy.Yah that @JLS is a big time troll, oh yah that damn @SnowyMountaineer guy too!
I’m just a meathead with a strong back and a shallow mind.Yah that @JLS is a big time troll, oh yah that damn @SnowyMountaineer guy too!
My dogs, like yours, quietly find the birds in cover and hold them on point until I flush and shoot them ... within seconds (but the birds you take are obviously not dispatched as quickly with your far ranging dog). How does that compare to the stress of an animal being chased by howling dogs sometimes for hours? Apples and oranges.Have you ever hunted with hounds?
Your dogs pursue pheasants in cover and force them to fly from fear of being caught. No difference between that and a hound pursuing a game animal. I’ve seen how stressed cougars are when they are sleeping the tree.
I’m not trolling anything. Just pointing out the obvious.
As to your contention that cougars sleep in a tree above a pack of baying hounds: I call bullshit on that one.
Sorry, but these are mental gymnastics. Cats being run by hounds may oftentimes not even realize they are being pursued until the dogs get within close proximity. Birds run all the time in front of pointing dogs. What's the difference? The dog points, relocates as the bird runs, until the bird is trapped either by lack of cover, a barrier, or another dog.My dogs, like yours, quietly find the birds in cover and hold them on point until I flush and shoot them ... within seconds (but the birds you take are obviously not dispatched as quickly with your far ranging dog). How does that compare to the stress of an animal being chased by howling dogs sometimes for hours? Apples and oranges.
As to your contention that cougars sleep in a tree above a pack of baying hounds: I call bullshit on that one.
Oh, right. What is the point of a pointing dog if the birds run from them all the time? As you know well enough, few uplands are runners. Pheasants will run sometimes, even from a stealthy pointer ... but not for miles. Huns are surprisingly mobile if crippled but otherwise they usually prefer to hold and flush. I don't hunt quail but I have never read anything indicating they prefer running to holding. Also unclear about chukars running. From what I have read it seems they prefer to hold and flush, using the steep terrain to their advantage. Certainly all the mountain grouse are not inclined to run at all. Same with sharptails. The dog finds them and you shoot at them. Then they're either dead ... or gone, usually for the rest of the day at least. It's all overwith in a matter of seconds or minutes at most. Not hours. There is minimal or no pursuit involved. I mean really, who do you think you're fooling here? It's not like there aren't other bird hunters following this thread.Sorry, but these are mental gymnastics. Cats being run by hounds may oftentimes not even realize they are being pursued until the dogs get within close proximity. Birds run all the time in front of pointing dogs. What's the difference? The dog points, relocates as the bird runs, until the bird is trapped either by lack of cover, a barrier, or another dog.
You can call bullshit all you want. I've seen it.
I'm sure other bird hunters are following this thread, and will see the misinformation that is evident.Oh, right. What is the point of a pointing dog if the birds run from them all the time? As you know well enough, few uplands are runners. Pheasants will run sometimes, even from a stealthy pointer ... but not for miles. Huns are surprisingly mobile if crippled but otherwise they usually prefer to hold and flush. I don't hunt quail but I have never read anything indicating they prefer running to holding. Also unclear about chukars running. From what I have read it seems they prefer to hold and flush, using the steep terrain to their advantage. Certainly all the mountain grouse are not inclined to run at all. Same with sharptails. The dog finds them and you shoot them. Then they're either dead ... or gone, usually for the rest of the day at least. It's all overwith in a matter of seconds or minutes at most. Not hours. There is minimal or no pursuit involved. I mean really, who do you think you're fooling here? It's not like there aren't other bird hunters following this thread.
I've never ever understood when hunters pick apart the hunting methods of other hunters, always thought we were in this all together. e.g. hunting w/hounds, hunting w/bow or gun or muzzleloader, hunting on Sunday, trapping, etc. etc. etc.
"I can't understand why you guys think it's fair to hunt cats/bears/lions with hounds"....."I don't know how you can possibly trap an animal without remorse and not think it's cruel"......"We should have Sunday off from hunting so I can go to church or the rest of the public can enjoy the woods or the outfitters can turn around the new incoming/outgoing hunters".......
Give me a f----kn break, like EYJ said, MOVE ON!
Well when I hunt bears with hounds, we usually drive forest roads looking for the dogs to strike. Then once the dogs dogs are heading in one direction ill head that way either on foot or by road depending on if the road can get me closer. The last bear I harvested was extremely grueling hiking to the top of the mountain thru deadfall and extremely steep. Sometimes by the time you get all your dogs gathered back up if they don't stick together it will be 10:00 or so at night by the time you get back to camp. And then some days you don't strike a track hot enough to catch.So for those who've run hounds for bears, what do your hunts look like on the ground? Like from when you leave the house to getting back to the truck. Just trying to better understand the nuts and bolts.