Shooting fast, is more important than shooting far.

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“ Shooting Fast Is More Important Than Shooting Far ”



Every few months, I visit the shooting range with a young friend. He is 42 and a current big game hunting guide. Long, ago I was a hunting guide too, and I am now 77. We get to the range right at the first hint of light on a week day and have it to ourselves.



We practice two timed rifle shooting drills. Both require using binoculars to identify a target, assuming the proper shooting position and firing one round.



We take turns being the “Shooter” and then the “Slapper.” I will explain both those roles in a bit.





We begin by both doing a fast walk/slow jog, slightly uphill, to set two targets at 300 yards. They are simple black 8”diameter bulls-eyes on a 24” x 24” piece of cardboard. Then, which one of us is the Shooter, turns his back while the “Slapper” pins a 4”white paper square in the center of one target, and a 4”white paper circle on the center of the other. The “Shooter” does not know which is on what target.



Then we jog back.



For the 50 yard targets, each 8” black bulls-eye has a much smaller white square or white circle in the center of it. We sprint back and forth to our 50 yard targets.



At either 50 yards or 300 yards, binoculars are a must to see if the white paper in the center of these bulls-eyes is square or round.



As soon as we got back to the firing line, while still huffing and puffing a little or a lot. The “Slapper” slaps the back of the Shooter either once or twice. One slap indicates his target has the white circle. Two slaps indicates the his target is the one with the white square.



For the 50-yard target, the time allowed to raise the binoculars, choose the correct target, drop the binoculars, un-sling rifle from shoulder and fire one offhand shot was first set 5 seconds, but with practice was cut down to 3 seconds. The “Slapper” is timing the shooter and will slap his back, ending his time to shoot. Yes, that has happened just at let off!



For the 300 yard target, we allowed 7 seconds in the beginning, then worked our way down to 5 seconds to, lift the binoculars, choose the target, drop the binoculars, un-sling the rifle, get in a sitting shooting position and use either the Whelen Sling or handmade 48” long 5/8” triple oak shooting sticks. They are held together by superb duty rubbers bands cut from motorcycle tire tubes.



In an hour and half at the range, we would fire 6 shots each. Three at 50 yards, three at 300 yards and get a decent workout too



After practicing these skills for six months, ( and doing mock drills at home) we could hold a three inch group at 50 yards, firing that critical first shot in under three seconds, after doing the full drill.



At 300 yards, doing the full drill, we would each hold 4” to 5“ groups inside black bulls-eye while firing our first shot in just under 5 seconds,,,. without needing any external support or rest, be it rock, tree or mound of high mound of dirt.



Over the years we include variations and added other skill sets; longer range, always when afield automatically judging wind conditions, and estimating distances. We have learned the old art of sub-tending using the fat part of our scope cross-hairs to estimate range. We prefer simple scopes, fixed lower power or 2X to 7X variable scopes using the 2x for close shooting and set our scopes at 4x for the 300 yard range. Going to 7x later seems like an incredible bonus.



Our rifles are pretty basic, my friend uses a 6.5 Creed for deer and I use a 6.5 X 55. For elk we use the .308, 30-06 and we both like the.270 Winchester. We have had magnums but got tired of them.



For hunting further out we use Barnes TTSXBT, or TSXBT all coper Bullets, which we agree are like having “Bruce Lee” coming out of our barrels. All muscle, no fat and so fast, super-killers. For close range we load round nosed Lapua Naturalis bullets. Lead core bullets are overweight and dirty but for our target shooting, we do use lead core bullets close to the same weight. BC and SD and velocity as our much more expensive Barnes hunting bullets.



One day, maybe four years ago, as my friend and I were packing up and leaving the range, a group of hunters came in with someone who seemed to be their elk hunting guide.



He was taking his clients to range before the coming hunt. One was a father in his 50’s with his son and his son’s friend. Their rifle cases were big and long enough for Bazookas. The scopes were huge tactical models and on the end of each “pole vault” length barrel was a beer can sized suppressor.



From a distance I saw their loaded ammo and thought they looked like brass ballistic missiles.



They hopped in a huge 4X4 and set up their targets at first at 500 yards then later at the max.

As each sat down at the bench to shoot the Guide was using a big bag full of props to help them be stable. They had bi-pods, tripods and long mono-pods.



Covid came, I got it, then my knees went down hill. Scouting for elk, they did not hold me. I tumbled down a canyon side along the way hitting my head on a rock. I was a bloody mess. For “spite” I gave the rock a concussion.



Hunting, especially elk hunting has gotten much harder with age. I’ve had minor surgery on both knees, had one fully replaced. After all that I was hunting a sweet spot I had discovered scouting years earlier. It was less than half an hour’s walk from my truck, in a niche on public land. After working my way through a tangle of wild raspberry bushes, I picked up the hidden big game trail, also a once Native American migration trail. A sweet little creek was noisy. The year before I had taken four easy flop-falls here. I did not have a good leg to stand on. Now I had one good leg and an antler-less elk tag.



The trail opens up near a huge pine Bear Tree, covered with claw marks. The country gets grassy, hiding the small opuntia cactus. I sat in them once. the nurse at the clinic could not stop small giggles as I told her the story as she was pulling them out of my butt.



Way up canyon there is a mound where the creek bends. Often elk are bedded there and watching.



Before going into the open I spent a half hour glassing with a vintage 20x50 Leopold spotting scope looking for elk sentries. I Jerry-rigged my shooting sticks to act as tripod for my spotting scope.



There were no elk there, fingers crossed!



I went up canyon and around the mound, stayed low along the creek. Mountain quail flushed, They make smile.



I was moving like an upright snake, “Look, tiny step, look tiny steps” I saw a line of elk walking on the canyon side. They were moving with purpose, not browsing, not trotting, but with each handful of seconds getting critically further away.



Without any thinking I glassed the herd with my binoculars, held tight against my chest with a custom strap. I picked out a yearling elk, legal with my tag, and wise for a solo elk hunter who is 75. The elk were well above me. The Whelen sling is useless shooting above level. The shooting sticks are ideal then. I already had judged six or 8 inches of wind-age was needed looking at how much the tall grass was bent by the wind. In open country judging range it tricky as is shooting at angles.



The fat part of my dual X scope reticle covers 6” at 100 yards, 12” at 200 yards and 18” at 300 yards, and 24 inches at 400 yards. A big mule deer’s chest depth is about a foot and a half, a bull elk about 2 and a half feet. A yearling elk’s chest is about two feet. My reticle covered a little over ¾ of the yearling's body. Range was between 325 and 350 yards and increasing fast too. No need or time to get my rangefinder out. Figured actual bullet drop with steep canyon angle for 300 yards. All these skills have been well practiced for moments just like this one.



It just took you way, way longer to read these last three paragraphs above, than it did for me to figure them and live them out in “real elk time”, which was just a handful of seconds. I shot fast and true!



I was using a pre-64 model 70 Winchester in .270. I bought it in a pawn shop in Cheyenne, Wyoming maybe about 1976. A widow brought it in to sell. It was her Cowboy husband’s only rifle. He bought it new in 1952. I put a new leather Whelen sling on it, and linseed oil on the walnut stock, stop there! Sent the Weaver fixed 4x scope that was on it, to Iron Sight Scope repair service to be checked and have the lenses polished. The scope was just fine. Looked like hell with so much bluing worn off going in and out of a saddle scabbard for decades.

Of course I put it right back on this old cowboy’s rifle.

It was not broke, no need to fix it.



MR
 
I really like the idea of the circle vs sqs so the shooter doesn’t know which target to engage. Great simple way to shoot drills. People focus on distance, and I do love to shoot long range. But More importantly in the elk woods is speed. And by speed, it needs to be accurate. Put a timer on a ‘long range shooter’ and watch them whiff 8 in gongs at 300 yds. I’m guilty of this too, but aware, and only consistent practice helps that. I’ve missed more 200-400 yd shots than I care to admit and it all came down to rushing and not having a system. Hurry up but take your time is what I tell myself.
 
Sent to Jon Boy.
Yes, you are right, learning a shooting system is the key.
When I was 18 a shooting mentor came into my life. He was a retired Marine Colonel who fought in WW2, Korea and early Vietnam. I was under his instruction for four years.

He started a rifle club, first with those bolt action .22 rimfire rifles with peep sights. Then we moved up to 30-06 bolt action Springfield rifles. Later some were sporterized for scope use. He taught us all the shooting positions, the use of the Whelen sling, and stressed the micro positions that enhance stability.
He hunted all the big dangerous game in Africa too.
He went into WW2 in the Pacific early in the war when Marines were issued Bolt action Springfield 30-06 rifles not M1 Semi-auto Garands. Every shot had to count.

Towards the end of my shooting apprenticeship under him i bought a rifle that fully met his approval.
A used Safari grade Browning bolt action in 30-06 with a 3x fixed scope. That was his favorite scope.
55 years later I still have it as I bought it. I have been all over western north America with it.
Every time I pick it up i can still hear his solid voice giving me instructions.
 
Start - binos up - identify target - binos down - unsling and raise rifle - hit target offhand in a 6 moa group - regularly in 3 seconds. This I gotta see. Really. I’d LOVE to see you or someone else do this.
I would have a hard time to get a SHOTGUN off of my shoulder and shoot even if I was facing a single target in 3 seconds. Turn around, binos, unsling, aim and shoot. Must really be doing long "1 Mississippi" counts.
 
Start - binos up - identify target - binos down - unsling and raise rifle - hit target offhand in a 6 moa group - regularly in 3 seconds. This I gotta see. Really. I’d LOVE to see you or someone else do this.
To shoot fast and accurate like this requires years of refining equipment and yourself. Start with the binoculars.



I always use 6 x 30. They are the only size that has such ultimate depth of field that they can focus from up close to infinity without ever needing to be adjusted. That makes them so quick. Many of the ones I prefer do not even have a central focusing mechanism. They do not need it. Both eyepieces can be focused to your individual eyes, then locked with electricians' tape and they are focused for you forever.



Just don’t share them



Without that central focusing mechanism they are lighter, stronger and ever so less likely to go out of alignment, damn near bulletproof.



My favorite old ones are marked “Made In Occupied Japan”. Typically I can buy them for under $50. They have real OK lenses, are great in dim light.



I buy them only with a case and make gifts of them to friends and family. Again, these are focused for an individual and not passed around. I am familiar with all the different 6 x 30 brands. Our old made in the USA military ones are great but have a clumsy bulge. Not trim.



I do have a new Vortex 6 x 32 , they have that un-needed central focusing mechanism, but they are better when different people are sharing them.



I have compared lens quality with these new Vortex ones with the old ones from Japan and if there is a difference I cannot notice it.



Next, I make a custom non-adjustable leather strap that just barely goes over my head. Fits tight around my neck and is high on my chest and just stays put. So fast!

Ohh and for more distant optical needs I have a super compact fixed power 20x50 Leopold spotting scope. I bought mine 30 plus years ago. No longer made but come up on Ebay now and then and get snapped right up.


Lastly, I was trained to develop “Lazy Eye” by wearing shooting glasses with paper taped over my non-dominant eye. You operate and do all your shooting with it open all the time, never close it. When you take the glasses off with tape, your lazy eye just takes everything in while your shooting eye focuses on cross-hairs. This allows a confidence/comfort in movement which transfer to smoothness and more speed. Training to shoot with both eyes open is so important in self defense shooting to have the full picture.



If you guys are interested, I will continue with more steps later on. It is long journey but really doable

MR
 
I'm also interested, and I'm one of those visual learners Carl described. There's alot of nuance that is lost via text, and I'm sure there's all sorts of details to a skill that took so long to aquire.
 
M R has a lot of great information he willingly shares with HT. I understand what he is trying to get across to us. I spent a number of years learning to handle a handgun. I had my father as my instructor/mentor. He was a law enforcement officer in the 50's,60's and 70's. I got into law enforcement in 1976. I later became a firearms instructor. Developing drills for different scenario's was very important and effective. Becoming a proficient shooter takes dedication and willingness to push your limits. Plus, lots of hands on practice with your firearm. An example when we converted from the wheel gun to semiautos we had 32 hours of instruction and shot 1000 round each. This included night shooting with and without flashlights. The bottom line is you have to work at being a good shot. The best equipment is worthless if you don't learn how to use it under the conditions you will find yourself in.
 
M R has a lot of great information he willingly shares with HT. I understand what he is trying to get across to us. I spent a number of years learning to handle a handgun. I had my father as my instructor/mentor. He was a law enforcement officer in the 50's,60's and 70's. I got into law enforcement in 1976. I later became a firearms instructor. Developing drills for different scenario's was very important and effective. Becoming a proficient shooter takes dedication and willingness to push your limits. Plus, lots of hands on practice with your firearm. An example when we converted from the wheel gun to semiautos we had 32 hours of instruction and shot 1000 round each. This included night shooting with and without flashlights. The bottom line is you have to work at being a good shot. The best equipment is worthless if you don't learn how to use it under the conditions you will find yourself in.
Hello Dan O



I thank you for your comments about what I have been writing. I welcome your multi-generational thoughts about shooting stances and how they could add to speed and accuracy.



I think the chances are high that your dad and maybe even you were trained using the Weaver Stance in handgun shooting. There are variations, the modified weaver stance, and the Chapman version with arms locked out straight. I have also heard the Weaver Stance called the “knife edge” stance since body mass is reduced by the angle.



Of late I see more shooters using the Isosceles position which exposes more frontal body mass. Maybe the widespread use of body amour vests makes up for this extra exposure.



Listening to what is said about the merits of each of these positions two words keep coming up; triangles and stability. Triangles after all are the strongest geometric shape.



Looking at all these handgun shooting positions many triangles are being formed, even the placement of the shooters feet.



Many of these “triangles” are not very “crisp” but are still there. Before I offer images of “crisp triangles”, I would suggest looking at the first two Weaver Stance videos and imagine how easily they could be adopted for rifle use.



All that would be needed would for these right-handed shooters to shoot a rifle, would be to bring their right hands back to where the rifle’s pistol grip would be and “deal done”



It is quite advantageous to have nearly the exact same position for both rifle and handgun. Much more systematic applying muscle memory.



This was how I was taught to shoot both handgun and rifle by my Marine Colonel mentor. Jeff Cooper of handgun ultra-fame was also a Marine. Notice how much more upright he is in his Weaver stance video than the shooter demonstrating the Weaver stance in the other video.



I like how Cooper brings the handgun straight up to his eyes. Such good form. That was how my Marine mentor taught us. He was a very “upright” shooter and man.



US Marines have such a long history of being stationed on Okinawa since WW2 ended. For many of them, Okinawan Martial Arts styles are like a tough mother’s milk. And so it was for my Marine Colonel mentor. He earned his black belt in Uechi Ryu karate there. His fellow Native Okinawan classmates made it as hard as possible for him.



He taught us martial arts, boxing, wrestling, and the use of knife, handgun, rifle and hunting. He hunted all the deadly Big Five in Africa, when they were still real big.



Watching him shoot a rifle or a 19111 .45 all the speed, grace and stability seen in those martial arts videos, were in his fast moves, smooth and slick turns. Speed Kills!

My four years with him were from 1966 to 1970, while I was in college, the high years of the Vietnam war. Upon graduation all of us were preparing to serve and were applying to Officer’s Candidate School in various branches of the military. He had retired in 1965 after serving in WW2, Korea, and the early years in Vietnam. He was preparing us.


The Colonel was the real deal, great mentor and when using a firearm, he could not afford to miss, and he didn’t.


Any thoughts, you or anyone else?















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I cannot bring myself to even read any of this yet - but did hone in on the expected WTF responses from a few- maybe I’ll have time this weekend to read all this over a beer. I’m sure it will be well worth the time.
 
One takeaway is that each of us can improve our skills with practice. Drills like these structure practice. On a bench at the range is a low bar of practice for practical (hunting) shooting IMO, but I'd bet it is the most common shooting practice for hunters. After sighting in, most of my hunting rifle practice starts with going from standing to sitting, then firing within several seconds (7, 5, 3?) I practice offhand with a 7# open sight rimfire.
 
My guiding career followed a 20 year police/swat career. Even got to go train with Cooper himself. Most guys took way to long setting up a shot on deer and elk, upland birds, little training on how to mount a shot gun starting from the ground up. hand guns, forget about it.
I think the PRS stuff is good stuff, getting people moving and shooting and not always from a bipod.
I know many ranges don’t allow anything but shooting from the bench makes it tough to do speed or movement drills.
For the price of one of those rifles languishing in a safe you can get a good class. You might actually lean something.
M R times are fast but absent a reference to shoot for folks will just poke around. Guiding upland I use to chastise my better hunters for shooting too fast on the flush trying to get them to wait a 3 count so there was something to retrieve.
Work first on being smooth and error free, really can you get into a sitting position with out using your hands to keep from falling over, smooth becomes fast.
Have fun.
Cooper also thought men weren’t complete until they could land a small plane. Go learn something new this summer. :)
 
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My guiding career followed a 20 year police/swat career. Even got to go train with Cooper himself. Most guys took way to long setting up a shot on deer and elk, upland birds, little training on how to mount a shot gun starting from the ground up. hand guns, forget about it.
I think the PRS stuff is good stuff, getting people moving and shooting and not always from a bipod.
I know many ranges don’t allow anything but shooting from the bench makes it tough to do speed or movement drills.
For the price of one of those rifles languishing in a safe you can get a good class. You might actually lean something.
M R times are fast but absent a reference to shoot for folks will just poke around. Guiding upland I use to chastise my better hunters for shooting too fast on the flush trying to get them to wait a 3 count so there was something to retrieve.
Work first on being smooth and error free, really can you get into a sitting position with out using your hands to keep from falling over, smooth becomes fast.
Have fun.
Cooper also thought men weren’t complete until they could land a small plane. Go learn something new this summer. :)
Thank you for your response. About ten years ago I became friends with yet another retired Marine who won 36 national and international shooting contests. He listed them on a card. I looked back at the events he claimed to have won and all matched. He would not drink coffee, sugar drinks or alcohol.

Over 30 years ago I was working with a fellow who was one of the ski coaches for the winter biathlon. He worked with the shooting coaches and said they established great shooting form via body mechanics and internal triangulation .
 
He would not drink coffee, sugar drinks or alcohol.
At first I thought we figured out the secret, but our favorite and most notorious Mormon big game assassin (Muley freak) seems to have disproven it with his shooting. His 9mm mag dumps into a treed black bear are pretty cool though.
 

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