RIP Charlie Kirk

[thomas89]

It will be interesting watching how this plays out.

At what point does "free speech" start to wither when labeling people one way or another, inciting others to react violently via fear/panic (nazi, fascist, KKK etc).

In my mind, at some point libel/slander come to mind. Free speech, but illegal. Same reason you can't yell "fire" to incite panic.

 

[NDGuy]

Thanks for the clarification, because I thought you were being intentionally obtuse yesterday and almost got myself banned with a reply.



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Careful you are going to get on a "list"

 

[Oak]

It will be interesting watching how this plays out.

At what point does "free speech" start to wither when labeling people one way or another, inciting others to react violently via fear/panic (nazi, fascist, KKK etc).

In my mind, at some point libel/slander come to mind. Free speech, but illegal. Same reason you can't yell "fire" to incite panic.

But what if the person has complete immunity?

 

[thomas89]

But what if the person has complete immunity?

Agreed, sir. Absolutely needs to go both ways.

I’m not wanting to get anyone riled up today, just thinking on the keyboard, my apologies. There is definitely rhetoric on both sides that is not helpful.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Thanks for the clarification, because I thought you were being intentionally obtuse yesterday and almost got myself banned with a reply.



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Im obtuse - never intentionally though.

Also - feel free to PM if i sound that stupid

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

There is definitely poor rhetoric on both sides all the time im not disputing that. Something i found very telling in the aftermath of this tragedy tho is ask yourself how many buildings or cars were burned, how many places were looted, how many storefront windows were smashed, how many police officers were spit on for not doing their jobs, how many people were dragged in the street for possibly looking like the perpetrator? How the "teams" conduct themselves in the aftermath matters. Ask yourself what would the streets in major cities look like if this was Al Sharpton instead of Charlie Kirk. My opinion is there would of been major rioting. Not going down an argument rabbit hole with anyone about it just something to think about and take into consideration.

 

[Elky Welky]

Just a legal point of clarification for everyone, the 1st Amendment protects citizens from censorship by the government. Private entities-including social media platforms-are entitled to regulate speech however they see fit. I couldn't start to untangle how or if that should happen. FB and Twitter got blasted for trying to curb hate, and now they are pretty much free-for-alls. And since those platforms make money from spreading the most vile viral content, they tend to push the worst of humanity to the forefront. When in reality, most of us still agree the violence has no place on either side, and that free speech should allow for all kinds of speech, even the most repugnant. I still hold that value, but there's certainly no way our forefathers could have imagined the quasi-public squares created by social platforms. It's a really terrible Catch-22.

The worst rhetoric I've seen on all of this has not been from elected officials (notwithstanding a few notable exceptions). But instead the most horrible stuff online has come from nameless, faceless meme accounts like the allegedly left leaning "the Other 98%" or the far right "LibsofTikTok"

 

[Irrelevant]

if this was Al Sharpton instead of Charlie Kirk. My opinion is there would of been major rioting.

You are deliberately going down that rabbit hole because you think you have the moral high ground.

Would the Capitol have been stormed?

 

[SAJ-99]

they tend to push the worst of humanity to the forefront.

And if we are honest, most of that stuff is probably from bots run by foreign adversaries. Our biggest problem is people not realizing they are being manipulated.

 

[Elkmagnet]

There is definitely poor rhetoric on both sides all the time im not disputing that. Something i found very telling in the aftermath of this tragedy tho is ask yourself how many buildings or cars were burned, how many places were looted, how many storefront windows were smashed, how many police officers were spit on for not doing their jobs, how many people were dragged in the street for possibly looking like the perpetrator? How the "teams" conduct themselves in the aftermath matters. Ask yourself what would the streets in major cities look like if this was Al Sharpton instead of Charlie Kirk. My opinion is there would of been major rioting. Not going down an argument rabbit hole with anyone about it just something to think about and take into consideration.

I agree with you in general but if we don't fully call out and acknowledge Jan 6th and the pardons after then everything is just hypocritical. An officer lost his life. He had a family also. There is no moral high ground when any politician fans these flames. The politicians win and we lose. Maga is no better than Antifa.
They both make americans look like shitty humans.

 

[Elkmagnet]

And if we are honest, most of that stuff is probably from bots run by foreign adversaries. Our biggest problem is people not realizing they are being manipulated.

 

[Oak]

Ask yourself what would the streets in major cities look like if this was Al Sharpton instead of Charlie Kirk. My opinion is there would of been major rioting. Not going down an argument rabbit hole with anyone about it just something to think about and take into consideration.

Ask yourself if it had been a Democratic politician that had been murdered, would the Vice President be encouraging the public to call the employers of people making light of the situation? Do you think the VP should be encouraging the public to pressure retribution?

People have a difficult time seeing it both ways. You make your one-sided argument and then say, "I don't want to go down an argument rabbit hole." Don't challenge my preconceived notions! LOL

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Something to think about and consider when posting your thoughts. January 6th was as dumb as any other riot.

 

[Forkyfinder]

Just a legal point of clarification for everyone, the 1st Amendment protects citizens from censorship by the government. Private entities-including social media platforms-are entitled to regulate speech however they see fit.

I disagree with your assessment, Jake.

Social Media - whether i like it or not -has become the public town square. While they are private entities - each user has their own page and is a unique publisher, the media is simply providing the platform. In my view - it would be akin to your phone company restricting your calls/texts or your internet provider restricting you from creating your own webaite.

For example - In the even standing for public lands was declared a communistic idea by the gov - i would never support the idea of private corps censoring that content because it challenged the narrative from the gov and was declared misinformation. I have too much distrust in large private enterprise in gov to not speculate that its possible.

 

[Irrelevant]

January 6th was as dumb as any other riot.

yes.
and no. LOL

 

[El Jason]

Charlie Kirk's death wasn't shocking, if you had been paying attention. — The Hill

The assassination of Charlie Kirk is a symptom of the age of political violence that has been prevalent in the U.S. for some time now, with politicians, pundits, and influencers all contributing to the rising temperature.

apple.news

 

[cgasner1]

You guys are gonna chit when you start reading about Nepal.

‘More egalitarian’: How Nepal’s Gen Z used gaming app Discord to pick PM

It was a first for an electoral democracy. Backers say it’s more transparent than what politicians do. But it has risks.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Lota lota]

There is definitely poor rhetoric on both sides all the time im not disputing that. Something i found very telling in the aftermath of this tragedy tho is ask yourself how many buildings or cars were burned, how many places were looted, how many storefront windows were smashed, how many police officers were spit on for not doing their jobs, how many people were dragged in the street for possibly looking like the perpetrator? How the "teams" conduct themselves in the aftermath matters. Ask yourself what would the streets in major cities look like if this was Al Sharpton instead of Charlie Kirk. My opinion is there would of been major rioting. Not going down an argument rabbit hole with anyone about it just something to think about and take into consideration.

I agree 100%

 

[elkduds]

Kool-aid stock should be soaring. I am not surprised how people react to this dog-whistle seminar. 3 options: Bark at the whistle; bark at the barking at the whistle; recognize it's become a dog whistle while watching and learning from how each dog responds.

 

[SAJ-99]

Something i found very telling in the aftermath of this tragedy tho is ask yourself how many buildings or cars were burned, how many places were looted, how many storefront windows were smashed, how many police officers were spit on for not doing their jobs, how many people were dragged in the street for possibly looking like the perpetrator?

Core differences from the responses is probably driven by the fact the system is viewed as working by some and not as well by others. We can take comfort in knowing that money wins, always.

Prosecutors to seek death penalty against Charlie Kirk shooting suspect | Special Report

Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray announced the suspect accused of shooting and killing Charlie Kirk has been charged with aggravated murder and other offenses. Gray said he filed a notice of intent to seek the death penalty in the case. John Dickerson anchors this CBS News special report.

www.cbsnews.com