RIP Charlie Kirk

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Even with all the noise and pain in the world, I always come back to this simple truth. Most everyday people are good hearted despite what media likes to spin.

We can all choose to show up everyday with kindness and willingness to help our family, neighbors, community it all still matters.
It is the media that spins it with the negative. I other parts of the world, this event happens all the time due to the unrest in the politics and unhappy citizens.

I strongly believe that we have it extremely well here and we should be thankful this doesn't happen that often. In other places its every day news.
 
If we want to talk about a serious and quick fix to school shootings it’s take 1/10000000 of a percent of our DOD (W?) budget and put armed guards in every school. Allow teachers who are willing to train and carry (not forced). But this suggestion scares people for reasons beyond logic. It’s the only way to stop a school massacre tomorrow, the other solutions are going to take decades.

I went to high school in early 2000s, had two armed police officers on site at all times. No one cared, not even a little. We were safe.
Wasn't going to comment on here but I brought up armed guards or teachers in schools several years ago (not on Hunttalk) and I got a lot of pushback from people saying they were afraid of the defensive shooter missing and hitting a student by mistake. They could not understand how ANY attempt to stop the shooter with a gun could be "safe". In those situations safe is already out the window and measures have to be taken to stop it. Seemed like they would rather have the kids hide and hope instead of taking action against the threat. Even just a couple rounds fired back might distract the shooter enough to not target more kids. Many multiples of bad guys have been stopped by a good guy with a gun. You just very rarely hear about it. Nobody wants to accept that it really happens. I would rather have the guy next to me pull his weapon to stop an attack than wait for the police (also carrying a gun) to show up at the scene. It's just too easy a subject to be made political and argued about instead of actually doing something that makes sense and would have an impact. Small areas of the country may be able to implement something but I see no way that the country as a whole could ever do it.
 
I totally agree with that. Although this is considered social media, at least we can have conversations on here and not share stuff that people should never see. I don't think we're going to solve the world's problems. I think there's a large amount of stuff that we need to fix first. Mental health being the first.
There’s a big difference between this social media where you click the lightning bolt and see recent posts and the ones that have created some of the richest people in human history by feeding everyone a steady stream of the things that enrage them and amplify division.
 
Is it true the family of the shooter were all republicans? If so, wow, a whole new twist.
 
Is it true the family of the shooter were all republicans? If so, wow, a whole new twist.

How is that a new twist? Kids generally rebel against their parents at some point, especially college aged. Not even close to being the first time parents and children have different ideology.

There's a reason politics are not discussed at many family functions.
 
I went to high school in the ‘80s, our school was on the San Antonio City border. Most of the football players n all the coaches had shotguns in their trucks, we would go dove hunting behind the school after practice… no school shootings…plenty fights but no weapons….something has changed
One thing that has changed is kids aren't allowed to "settle things" with their fists like they used to, so different types of bullying emerged. Much more sinister than a simple shove or gut punch. These days, a lot of kids are being mentally bullied online, in very personal ways. Back in the 80's when we were in high school, the high school bully didn't know or care that much about you or me. We also had parents that told us to "quit whining, suck it up and stick up for yourself." Parents don't do that anymore. The expectations for teens has never been lower, and that's where the problem lies IMO. Teens aren't expected to work a real job, or even clean their room anymore. We as a nation have gotten soft on our kids in the wrong ways, while not giving them the support they actually need to navigate life (teaching them how to work, care for others and stand up to bullies).

When a kid feels ill-equipped for life, they have no hope. Take away hope and these are the things that happen. Normalizing and even celebrating bloody shootings in graphic video games, then rewarding the shooters with celebrity status certainly hasn't helped either.

Of course, this is a broad generalization, but I'd say those are some of the things that have changed since I was in high school.
 
Did anyone else see a picture of a brown wood stock rifle with a silencer held by a police officer yesterday? They said that was the weapon. Now today it’s a different rifle black synthetic stock and no silencer. Either I am victim of being fooled by misleading media/photos/reports or this is another agency conspiracy like the Trump shooter.

I believe that was someone trying to push an agenda. If you look closely that’s clearly an air rifle that they were holding up.
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I just saw this posting and I believe it is well written and spot on. I also believe our country is being deliberately divided by outside influences that want our country to implode. Social media is the ideal mechanism to manipulate those who are vulnerable. We can discuss what that means but reality is there are a lot of people who are lost souls. They are easily moved psychologically by the "programming" they receive. This is not a partisan issue, it's a society issue and if we do not work together to defeat this process, our society, our country and our freedom is doomed.

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Wasn't going to comment on here but I brought up armed guards or teachers in schools several years ago (not on Hunttalk) and I got a lot of pushback from people saying they were afraid of the defensive shooter missing and hitting a student by mistake. They could not understand how ANY attempt to stop the shooter with a gun could be "safe". In those situations safe is already out the window and measures have to be taken to stop it. Seemed like they would rather have the kids hide and hope instead of taking action against the threat. Even just a couple rounds fired back might distract the shooter enough to not target more kids. Many multiples of bad guys have been stopped by a good guy with a gun. You just very rarely hear about it. Nobody wants to accept that it really happens. I would rather have the guy next to me pull his weapon to stop an attack than wait for the police (also carrying a gun) to show up at the scene. It's just too easy a subject to be made political and argued about instead of actually doing something that makes sense and would have an impact. Small areas of the country may be able to implement something but I see no way that the country as a whole could ever do it.

I'm starting my 23rd year as a teacher. Hiding during an active shooter is now considered your last resort. The first option now is run. In the last 8 years or so, the protocols for this have drastically changed and continue to change every year. For the first 2/3 of my career, we were taught hide out of sight of windows. It didn't take long to realize you were a sitting duck in that situation. I give our district credit...we practice and modify our protocols constantly.
 
I've read every post so far and I don't think this has to do with mental illness at all. In fact, I'm beginning to think mental illness has become the last decade's buzz word for trying to explain something as simple as lack of emotional regulation. I see this shooting as someone who doesn't have the skill to know how to handle their emotions when they feel pushed beyond what they feel they can tolerate and that is not mental illness. If what reported is true, Tyler Robinson is educated, comes from a good home, and has lived 99% of his life in complete normalcy. That doesn't sound like mental illness to me. It sounds like he doesn't have the skills to deal with what he deemed to be "the last straw" before something needed to be done.
 
I just saw this posting and I believe it is well written and spot on. I also believe our country is being deliberately divided by outside influences that want our country to implode. Social media is the ideal mechanism to manipulate those who are vulnerable. We can discuss what that means but reality is there are a lot of people who are lost souls. They are easily moved psychologically by the "programming" they receive. This is not a partisan issue, it's a society issue and if we do not work together to defeat this process, our society, our country and our freedom is doomed.

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I was staying out of this conversation but DAMN! That Stephan Miller post is a perfect example of the beginnings of what leads to this kind of tragedy. He creates a mythical evil ideology that must be destroyed while conveniently leaving out who exactly it is that subscribes to this supposed ideology. Leaving it up to each individual to decide for himself who it is and therefore, who must be destroyed.

Apparently one young man decided it was Charlie Kirk who subscribed to an evil ideology.
 
That doesn't sound like mental illness to me. It sounds like he doesn't have the skills to deal with what he deemed to be "the last straw" before something needed to be done.
If killing a conplete stranger because you don't agree with them isn't being mentally ill I don't know what is.
Tyler Robinson is educated, comes from a good home,
What does that have to do with anything?
 
As sad as the murder of a young man, husband and father is, I think some of you have elevated this tragedy to the ranks of JFK, MLK and RFK
I wonder, what would we think about all 3 of those people if their life were to exist today and pass in a similar fashion?

Would people focus on JFKs adultery? Or some of alleged treatment MLK had toward women? I never really have - kind of accepted that we are all imperfect and have certainly wronged people along the way.

I guess i wasnt around then to see what people were saying when those icons moved on. But i doubt it was hyperbole about out of context statements to attack a dead mans chracter - cause you dont or didnt agree with his opinions or values.
 
If killing a conplete stranger because you don't agree with them isn't being mentally ill I don't know what is.

What does that have to do with anything?
I don't think you have to be mentally ill to kill anyone. I think it's more about indoctrination of a belief, something so important to a person's core, they feel like it's the only way to solve their issue. You can't tell me every gang banger that pulls a gun on a rival and pulls the trigger is mentally ill. Being able to walk away calmly, regulating emotions is a skill that must be practiced. Look how emotional people get on this site and some of the things that come out of people's mouths, and this is just cyberspace.
 
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