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[Forkyfinder]

Legit question.

Why would volunteer work be put on hold??? Wouldn't it be a good year to ramp up volunteer work?

I volunteered for the FS building trail in college. There is a lift in managing, coordinating, and scheduling all of it.

Perhaps the comparision for your industry would be subcontracting - you aren't at all off the hook for a lot of the details just cause it was sub'd out.

 

[Straight Arrow]

As a volunteer for a week trail maintenance project in the Bob Marshall Wilderness I really appreciated the USFS horse-pack gal who hauled our tools, equipment and food into the backcountry. She likely is unemployed presently and won't carry the load backcountry. Thus volunteer work will be without the regular USFS support and guidance usually part of the volunteer programs.
More recently, we met a USFS gal at Gooseberry Park with her six pack mules and saddlehorse, as she was supplying wilderness crews and cabins with essentials to do their maintenance work. We called her "Seven-mile Krista" cuz each time we asked how far to such and such place, she would say "about seven miles thataway". They all were also monitoring a fire up on Bow Mountain to be ready for suppression work and also to help folks escape to safety if need be. Likely, Seven-mile Krista and most of the maintenance crews won't be working this summer. That's a real travesty, IMO!

 

[MTGomer]

I’ll pay a survey crew chief that can work independently, show up on time, sober, work hard and communicate like an adult $40/hr
He doesn’t have to report to an office, there’s no boss looking over his shoulder, give him an almost new truck to take home, 401k, insurance, PTO etc
This is a six figure job with a little OT


The engineer I share an office with pays very well, allows remote work and needs a civil engineer that is skilled in grading/drainage and stormwater modeling.


This is in AZ. We both struggle to staff positions like this, likely due to being in a resort/retirement community.(havasu)

Here in Absarokee, MT, I couldn’t find someone to paint my house.
And I don’t mean someone that I could afford. I mean nobody would agree to drive from Billings or Bozeman or even Columbus to do it. We finally did it ourselves.
In Worden/Huntley MT last summer the irrigators were all hispanics.
When I was in high school, not that long ago, that was what my friends and I did.
Now farmers have to import people to do it.

Positions that are hard, especially if they are hard physically and involve having a brain can be very tough to fill.

My new guy (gen Z) did not show up this morning for his first day. “Ghosted” me as the kids would say.

When you sign a job offer, an employer stops trying to fill that position, doesn’t offer that position to others that are interested in it, etc.
if you don’t show up, it sets them back months in their search.

 

[MTGomer]

Outside Mag has a list of how many from each NP were let go

Here’s How Many Employees Each National Park Is Losing

A nonprofit is tallying up how many NPS employees have been let go from each park. A key asset has been social media posts from terminated employees.

www.outsideonline.com

 

[406dn]

My new guy (gen Z) did not show up this morning for his first day. “Ghosted” me as the kids would say.

When you sign a job offer, an employer stops trying to fill that position, doesn’t offer that position to others that are interested in it, etc.
if you don’t show up, it sets them back months in their search.

I'm sorry about that. That is not an honest thing to do to an employer. The silver lining is, the person showed you, by their actions, that they weren't what you were looking for.

I hope you find a good employee.

 

[Irrelevant]

My new guy (gen Z) did not show up this morning for his first day. “Ghosted” me as the kids would say.

When you sign a job offer, an employer stops trying to fill that position, doesn’t offer that position to others that are interested in it, etc.
if you don’t show up, it sets them back months in their search.

oh man... I would lose my shit on them if I ever saw them again. I might even reach out to some others in the field and "warn" them.

 

[BuckRut]

My new guy (gen Z) did not show up this morning for his first day. “Ghosted” me as the kids would say.

When you sign a job offer, an employer stops trying to fill that position, doesn’t offer that position to others that are interested in it, etc.
if you don’t show up, it sets them back months in their search.

I've had this happen multiple times. Along with failing pre employment drug screening even though I told them it was coming before offering the job, ghosting the job interview, offering the job and being told when you call them with the pre employment appointment that they took another job.

 

[WildWill]

I've had this happen multiple times. Along with failing pre employment drug screening even though I told them it was coming before offering the job, ghosting the job interview, offering the job and being told when you call them with the pre employment appointment that they took another job.

I've poached a few people including new hires from competitors business is business.

 

[Nick87]

I've poached a few people including new hires from competitors business is business.

Happens everyday. Everyone does it.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

Well, funny you should mention that...if it takes 2,000,000 employees 5 minutes of official time...10,000,000 minutes/60 166,667 hours....

Multiply 166,667x $35/hour (average)...5.83 million per every 5 minutes of time.

If its your contention it takes 15 minutes...just shy of 17.5 million per week.

17.5x52....yearly expenditure of $910,000,000.

Anyone want to talk about a way to save the tax payers money and be more efficient?

ouch

 

[406dn]

I've poached a few people including new hires from competitors business is business.

Many years ago now, I was getting my first job after graduating from college. I had a job offer in the Twin Cities and a less firm offer in Wyoming. The guy in Wyoming said he wanted to hire me, but asked me to take the other job. He said he had to get some loose ends tied up, and then would extend the job offer. He was wanting me to work only for a month or two, then come work for him.

I much preferred moving to Wyoming, compared to the Twin Cities. But, I could not do that to an employer. I took the job in Minnesota, and held it until we moved to Montana seven years later.

 

[Wildabeest]

I've poached a few people including new hires from competitors business is business.

I poach people inside my own company .

Edit: I don’t own the company. I mean the company I work for.

 

[WildWill]

An observation from living 70+ years, most of the time when a business says it can't find decent workers, it is because it is a lousy place to work, for one or more reasons.

it might be poor pay, poor schedule, poor work culture, yada, yada. Employers are no different that employees, in that they have to compete for their slice of the pie.

Those that end up with the least desirable employees, it is because of the desirability of the jobs offered. Some employers make that choice for business reasons. Some want better employees but are too cheap or hard to work for, to attract or retain good employees. Rather than consider their part, they like to denigrate workers, generally.

I really like this quote from you it's absolutely true. Some companies don't deserve the employees they have but most employers deserve the type of employees they have. I bet that company in Minnesota treated you well.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

Does anyone know if employees at Space-x, Tesla, and X have to do this? I am curious if this is just a .gov special.

I have a couple of guys who used to work for Tesla, they all said he was crazy and hasn't come up with an original idea in years.

 

[thebestusernamesaretaken]

I really like this quote from you it's absolutely true. Some companies don't deserve the employees they have but most employers deserve the type of employees they have. I bet that company in Minnesota treated you well.

I run into this all the time. Business owners complain to me that they can't find good employees - The realities are that they can't find employees willing to work for what they are willing to pay in the conditions that they have available.

If employers set the market (overpay for employees), they have virtually unlimited candidates and can pick from the bunch. Now that being said, they all think that they overpay for employees - I think that is really in the eyes of who is getting paid. You'll know if you are truly overpaying because all the competitors will complain about it and potential employees will rush to your door.

 

[Wildabeest]

I run into this all the time. Business owners complain to me that they can't find good employees - The realities are that they can't find employees willing to work for what they are willing to pay in the conditions that they have available.

If employers set the market (overpay for employees), they have virtually unlimited candidates and can pick from the bunch. Now that being said, they all think that they overpay for employees - I think that is really in the eyes of who is getting paid. You'll know if you are truly overpaying because all the competitors will complain about it and potential employees will rush to your door.

It’s also about creating a culture of winning. People want to be part of successful things and want to be rewarded for the success. If you do that, then good people will be knocking down your door.

 

[Wildabeest]

I have a couple of guys who used to work for Tesla, they all said he was crazy and hasn't come up with an original idea in years.

Ah come on… oh, wait, maybe it wasn’t so original.

 

[WildWill]

Ah come on… oh, wait, maybe it wasn’t so original.

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Whoever called it a deplorian nailed it! Cocaine invented the Delorian and ketamine invented that thing.

 

[Rack Daniels]

Who is this “Barnard” and how did he create such a successful thread on first day!?

 

[Treeshark]

Who is this “Barnard” and how did he create such a successful thread on first day!?

The first 24 hours of this one was straight fire…