Reduced recoil bullet selection

[yakimanoob]

You might be a big tough man that’s only been around super tough kids that’d never consider flinching from a 243, but I can tell you with certainty that basically all of the 15 year old and younger kids I help sight in deer rifles every fall are doing their damnedest to fight off flinching. Even with a 243.

I'll look forward to your report on this issue with your randomly assigned 223 Rem control group. Don't forget I'm a stickler for statistical significance.

 

[mtmuley]

You might be a big tough man that’s only been around super tough kids that’d never consider flinching from a 243, but I can tell you with certainty that basically all of the 15 year old and younger kids I help sight in deer rifles every fall are doing their damnedest to fight off flinching. Even with a 243.

You have no idea about how tough I am or what I know about teaching kids to shoot. Thanks though. Carry on. mtmuley

 

[Wind Gypsy]

I'll look forward to your report on this issue with your randomly assigned 223 Rem control group. Don't forget I'm a stickler for statistical significance.

Sorry, I cant deliver. I just annually volunteer at my private range while 100+ (maybe 200+ some years?) hunters come in for public rifle sight in days over the course of 2 weekends. In the past I've had a basic factory sporter 223 with me. Seeing kids struggle ive had them shoot the 223 as a "proof of ability" with a known rifle and seeing the smiles, confidence, and lack of hesitance to shoot more is a telling contrast to when they are shooting something bigger.

I'm in no way trying to argue that kids cant or wont shoot normal 243 loads effectively but rather that there is a benefit to even less recoil and noise.

 

[yakimanoob]

there is a benefit to even less recoil and noise.

I'll just agree on this point and let it be.

 

[Cousin Basil]

I made up some 120grain 7mm-08 loads on the minimum side for my then 7 year old son and 75 year old father. They both killed deer with them. I have since upped the "light load" a little for my dad (he'll be 90 this year). He doesn't practice anymore (I check his zero) but he won't hesitate to take a shot for fearing the recoil. At this point he goes hunting just to be going....but just in case he is armed ha ha.

I think just calling them "light loads" helped them both.

 

[RestlessSoul]

TTSX; especially in the Reduced Recoil line. Those bullets were specifically engineered for those lower velocities and to fully expand. Pretty sweet!

 

[howl]

The lengths people will go to in avoiding 223...

Larger cartridges and recoil give men more confidence. Extraordinary experience at the practice range and watching deer drop in the field gives new shooters more confidence.

 

[Dougfirtree]

The lengths people will go to in avoiding 223...

Larger cartridges and recoil give men more confidence. Extraordinary experience at the practice range and watching deer drop in the field gives new shooters more confidence.

It's not legal in some states..

 

[RealMuddyboots]

Or drop way down to a 70 grain Hammer. Should be able to push it 3600 or so. mtmuley

+1 on this bullet, well proven on deer. This bullet is deadly with terminal performance and accuracy. The 70HH will shoot well with variety of different powders. I have a 700VLS 26" that the 70HH topped 3900 with TS15.5. No need to drive it anywhere that fast. It will perform extremely well in the 150yd window stated at the lower velocity suggested by @mtmuley .

First, hearing protection is critical component for youth to reduce perceived recoil from any muzzle blast. Ditch youth hearing protection muffs. They are INADEQUATE with poor NRR rating typically in low 20's. Absolutely nuts that the hearing protection that is most critical for a targeted group of shooters is not what it should be. Get a muff that is over 30 NRR rating and double up with ear plugs. The difference in NRR is not linear and will provide youth much different perception of the rifle blast and recoil. Every youngster that I helped to shoot was astounded by the difference and eliminated their own perception of what the recoil was going to be. They first watched rounds being fired with this hearing protection and the look was priceless. They then had confidence to shoot knowing the blast was not going to scare them at the shot.

Add Sims recoil pad or similar to help.

My background on this? I authored the straight wall rifle rule in Michigan in 2009 to address recoil from shotgun slugs for youth, woman and elderly. This rule has been carried into other states for similar reasons.

 

[44hunter45]

Or drop way down to a 70 grain Hammer. Should be able to push it 3600 or so. mtmuley

I have had good success making lower recoil loads with light Hammers and H4895. Not same hole accurate, but good for young shooters whom you have put on a range limit.
My focus was on not going below 70% on the load density.

 

[mevertsen]

I concur on the 70 HH.

Deadly bullet

 

[howl]

It's not legal in some states..

Moving to a specific state just to avoid it. Wow.