Rand Paul & the Transfer & sale of Public Lands.

[Irrelevant]

I also think the Paul's understand that there really is only one principal to follow, all the rest fall in neatly behind it. The freedom and rights of the individual.

Not only is that the most selfish idea I've heard, but it's completely impractical in a society of more than one. It's takes almost zero time or effort to fill a page with necessary restrictions on the individual in order to provide freedoms for others. Clean water and clean air coming first of foremost in my opinion.

 

[Ben Lamb]

Not only is that the most selfish idea I've heard, but it's completely impractical in a society of more than one. It's takes almost zero time or effort to fill a page with necessary restrictions on the individual in order to provide freedoms for others. Clean water and clean air coming first of foremost in my opinion.

When you celebrate the selfishness of Ayn Rand over the good of the nation, you tend to get people like the Paul's.

 

[bushman13]

Or the framers of the Constitution.

When you celebrate the selfishness of Ayn Rand over the good of the nation, you tend to get people like the Paul's.

 

[bushman13]

Not only is that the most selfish idea I've heard, but it's completely impractical in a society of more than one. It's takes almost zero time or effort to fill a page with necessary restrictions on the individual in order to provide freedoms for others. Clean water and clean air coming first of foremost in my opinion.

In a general sense I believe the statement works both ways. If your freedoms or actions as an individual impedes on somebody else's freedom, there is a problem that needs addressing. Legislating for the herd's flavor of the day only erodes the rights that made this grand experiment so grand in the first place. An example would be the Patriot Act, eliminating Amendment 4 and 5.

 

[beginnerhunter]

The Constitution does a pretty good job of balancing freedom with a stable political system. Most libertarians like the Constitution but read it through a lens that isn't always originalist. I don't think libertarian is synonymous with Constitutionalist.

 

[Kharper]

No we don’t have near as much federal lands out here in the east but that is what makes them even more important to us who live over this way. All federal lands are important and should stay in federal hands but if we lost what little public lands we have here in the east it would be devastating.

I agree

 

[Deleted member 28227]

When you celebrate the selfishness of Ayn Rand over the good of the nation, you tend to get people like the Paul's.

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

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To some extent I think libertarian, rugged individualistic, american conservatism whatever label you want to use only really works in a rural society where there is lots of space to be "selfish". As humanity continues to increase I wonder if all areas have to become more "socialist", I can't think of a example of a densely populated society that isn't fairly collectivistic.

 

[MTGomer]

Not only is that the most selfish idea I've heard, but it's completely impractical in a society of more than one. It's takes almost zero time or effort to fill a page with necessary restrictions on the individual in order to provide freedoms for others. Clean water and clean air coming first of foremost in my opinion.

The idea of the ‘rights of the individual’ is not the idea you can do whatever the hell you want without consequence.

If what you are doing negatively effects someone else, then you may not have the right to do it.

It’s the difference between you should be able to extend your deck on your property without government permission, but not alter the course of a stream that flows to and through your land to build a private lake.

 

[Irrelevant]

If Mr. Paul were granted his wishes, the EPA wouldn't exist, environmental regulation would be a State by State issue and there would be a race to the bottom of environmental standards (this isn't speculation, we were literally there 50 years ago) all in the name of the all mighty dollar and economic growth... and rivers will once again catch fire. While we all might think/hope that the State and the individual people in charge would "do what's right" for their state's population, but we've routinely seen this isn't true. Greed is more powerful than any well wishing we might hope exists. This isn't just rhetoric I can list a half a dozen examples in as many states without trying.

Gomer, while I don't necessarily disagree with that, I also recognize that not everyone knows everything about everything and that a certain level of review/regulation on the mundane isn't a horrible idea. Though to be my own devil's advocate, I'm building a deck that deliberately won't need a building permit.

 

[bushman13]

Luckily I read LOTR in elementary and never read Rand. No one can argue that going into massive debt and dealing with mass psychosis is a good thing (current state). My reasoning for why we are heading down this hill might be different than most. I think if you scratch the surface there is a very specific reason small towns are drying up and people are being redirected back into the cities.

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

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To some extent I think libertarian, rugged individualistic, american conservatism whatever label you want to use only really works in a rural society where there is lots of space to be "selfish". As humanity continues to increase I wonder if all areas have to become more "socialist", I can't think of a example of a densely populated society that isn't fairly collectivistic.

 

[Deleted member 28227]

Luckily I read LOTR in elementary and never read Rand.

It's worth the read... although the John Galt speech is tedious at best... Rand's background bleeds into her novel as much as Tolkien's does his, coming into the book with some context is helpful.

 

[bushman13]

Oddly enough being a libertarian, I've never felt compelled to read it. Though I do own a copy. I did just finish About Face by Hackworth, awesome read if you get the chance.

It's worth the read... although the John Galt speech is tedious at best... Rand's background bleeds into her novel as much as Tolkien's does his, coming into the book with some context is helpful.

 

[Labman]

Relatively speaking it may be. On the positive I doubt Pauls' principled base would allow him to sell fed lands to the Chinese, IE Harry Reid.

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I wish whoever put this map together would provide one without the Indian Reservations highlighted.