Nope smokers not allowed

[Irrelevant]

Because there is insufficient real evidence that it benefits society at large while absolutely causing serious issues for at least a subset of the same society.

I'm a much better father, esp right after work, after a beer.
I'm also a better husband, especially on vacation, after a glass or two of wine.

 

[Nick87]

I'm a much better father, esp right after work, after a beer.

You're on the minority there. I'm not talking about me either. Just saying.

 

[CRJR45]

Because there is insufficient real evidence that it benefits society at large while absolutely causing serious issues for at least a subset of the same society.

Hmmm , kind of sounds like the very same argument the left uses for gun control ? Some people commit crimes with guns so lets ban all guns ?
Some people struggle making good choices on drugs and alcohol , therefor lets ban it for everyone ?
See my point ? If I choose to put any drug in my body , can I blame the affects of the drug after that fact ?
My choice , the blame lays with me for any and all poor choices , after my first poor choice .
Personal responsibility , in all things , IMO

 

[Laszlo Cravensworth]

You're on the minority there. I'm not talking about me either. Just saying.

Or are our anecdotes biased because we tend to hear about people that have trouble with alcohol?

 

[Ben Lamb]

Is there similar evidence around ice cream and chocolate syrup?

Yes there is.

But Ice cream addicts don't blow through stop signs and take out families.

Unless they're drunk.

I'm a much better father, esp right after work, after a beer.

Just curious, is the post-work beer about the booze or about the time to decompress w/o the immediacy of familial duties?

 

[CRJR45]

Yes there is.

But Ice cream addicts don't blow through stop signs and take out families.

Unless they're drunk.



Just curious, is the post-work beer about the booze or about the time to decompress w/o the immediacy of familial duties?

BUT ,...do they contribute to society ?

 

[Exhausted]

Hmmm , kind of sounds like the very same argument the left uses for gun control ? Some people commit crimes with guns so lets ban all guns ?
Some people struggle making good choices on drugs and alcohol , therefor lets ban it for everyone ?
See my point ? If I choose to put any drug in my body , can I blame the affects of the drug after that fact ?
My choice , the blame lays with me for any and all poor choices , after my first poor choice .
Personal responsibility , in all things , IMO

I’m pretty sure any one of us here can make a convincing argument that public ownership of guns as granted in the Constitution benefits society as a whole.

Now defend alcohol, or weed, I don’t care, without using whataboutisms.

 

[CRJR45]

I’m pretty sure any one of us here can make a convincing argument that public ownership of guns as granted in the Constitution benefits society as a whole.

Now defend alcohol, or weed, I don’t care, without using whataboutisms.

Well both drugs are multi billion dollar industries , whole cities and families depend , or depended , on jobs that revolve around Busch .
But more so , how does me owning a gun benefit society ?

 

[Irrelevant]

Just curious, is the post-work beer about the booze or about the time to decompress w/o the immediacy of familial duties?

It can't be actually about the booze, because statistically it's irrelevant. But I know I'm not alone; basically, my entire friend group agrees. Kids drive you fuggin crazy, one or two beers, helps me/them not just immediately lose my shit.

 

[Irrelevant]

But Ice cream addicts don't blow through stop signs and take out families.

No, but they contribute to the massive inflation of the US healthcare costs, which, IMO, causes much greater and broader impacts than drunk drivers do, even if each individual case is less acute.

 

[Exhausted]

Well both drugs are multi billion dollar industries , whole cities and families depend , or depended , on jobs that revolve around Busch .
But more so , how does me owning a gun benefit society ?

Lazy. So I will be as well.

Well, S&W, Colt, Marlin, Remington, etc. are all multi billion dollar industries, and whole cities and families depend, or depended, on jobs the companies create.

And no, I won't detail how personal gun ownership benefits our society. One, because I stated my position, and gave my reason, and you used guns as a whataboutism. Two, because I'm relatively confident you and others reading don't actually hold a contrarian position.

But, for what it's worth:

 

[Irrelevant]

But Ice cream addicts don't blow through stop signs and take out families.

Unless they're drunk.

also, drunk drivers are responsible for far fewer traffic fatalities than simply "bad" drivers. But I don't hear anyone preaching to have their wife's license revoked... (LOL, I kid, I kid).

 

[SAJ-99]

Now defend alcohol, or weed, I don’t care, without using whataboutisms.

Not a defense, but we briefly outlawed alcohol and it did nothing other than push it to the background and increase illegal behavior. I think that was the argument with weed. The cost of it being illegal isn’t worth the cost of policing it. New idea is tax and regulate and see what happens.

 

[idelkslayer]

Ok , I’ll apologize right off the bat .
But Bigot is reaching , IMO .
I guess I was right though , or close .
But what I was wondering is why are you against both , and I should have typed that out , sorry.
I mean I’m an alcoholic, and don’t drink, but I have a full bar for my friends, all the good stuff .
It’s not alcohol’s fault I made stupid decisions under the influence, it’s mine
So why hate the drugs ? Many more people can and do live great lives using daily , both drugs , than have a problem with it .
Sorry again , that was tasteless.

I wasn't the person you directed the comment to, it just touched a nerve. I appreciate your response.

I am against both for myself. I have zero interest in partaking of either or any other drug. I value my long term health too much to risk the effects of substance usage. Hell, sugar is just as unhealthy as many controlled substances. The difference to me is the way drugs and alcohol affect cognition and behavior. I've been in many social situations as the only one not drinking and seen how people embarrass themselves.

I used to think we should just legalize all drugs, as long as it came with, commensurate penalties. Why should I care if someone wants to burn their brains out on substance abuse. Unfortunately they rarely contain the damage to just themselves. Over the last couple years I've become more familiar with the number of children in abusive homes or in the foster care system. Just look up how many kids in your county are in the foster care system and know that in 99% of those cases, drugs are a primary factor. Then think about how much it costs the State to care for those children, and the fact that for most it will be a self perpetuating cycle of destruction and crime for generations.

Some people can handle substance and use in moderation and still be productive people, some can't. If we are going to continue to allow it to be a personal decision to drink or smoke weed we also need to stop using kid gloves to deal with the fallout of the poor choices people make when abusing it.

also, drunk drivers are responsible for far fewer traffic fatalities than simply "bad" drivers. But I don't hear anyone preaching to have their wife's license revoked... (LOL, I kid, I kid).

So we're defending drunk drivers now? (I acknowledge your joke but...) I would be willing to bet that the percentage of drunk drivers that cause fatal traffic accidents is higher than the percentage of sober drivers who cause fatal accidents. It's just that there are so many more sober drivers that statistically, the pure number is higher than drunk drivers.

 

[Exhausted]

Not a defense, but we briefly outlawed alcohol and it did nothing other than push it to the background and increase illegal behavior. I think that was the argument with weed. The cost of it being illegal isn’t worth the cost of policing it. New idea is tax and regulate and see what happens.

I agree with basically all of the above. It doesn't change that I'm personally against, and it's partly why I didn't state that the government should do anything about me being personally against it.

I was half joking about the initial post about "Legalize it all but make it only legal in private spaces . . . " Too late for alcohol, but maybe reasonable for (some) other things. Maximize personal freedom (and might as well tax the snot out of it), but the rest of us shouldn't have to put up with you when you're under the influence.

 

[Nick87]

Or are our anecdotes biased because we tend to hear about people that have trouble with alcohol?

I was talking first hand experience.