New threat to 2nd A?

[Pucky Freak]

Overused sayings of 2025. And spilling into 2026:

Waste, fraud, and abuse
Whataboutism

Get off twitter and give it a break.

The top three were an eye roll for me until I personally became the target of it last year. I’m no pushover - I plumbed the depths of the hands of power, and brought to light what I could. What I found was the administrations targeting WF&A embody those things to the same degree or more. No surprise - nevertheless, it’s still a wake-up call to lay eyes on the hand in the cookie jar.

 

[brownbear932008]

I had numerous people approach me while armed as a LEO and guess what not one of them died. Many of them with ill intentions or mentally unstable as well. I side with the NRA's statement. But we will not see an unbiased investigation into this shooting IMO if the FBI handles the investigation. Or any federal agency for that matter I think. On the flip side I'm not so sure a state or local investigation would be unbiased as well.
In my opinion this is a bad shoot all the way around for numerous reasons. But you know what opinions are. 30 years into a career at this point. It's not the first time I've seen an officer over react in a situation.

 

[Forkyfinder]

I had numerous people approach me while armed as a LEO and guess what not one of them died. Many of them with ill intentions or mentally unstable as well. I side with the NRA's statement. But we will not see an unbiased investigation into this shooting IMO if the FBI handles the investigation. Or any federal agency for that matter I think. On the flip side I'm not so sure a state or local investigation would be unbiased as well.
In my opinion this is a bad shoot all the way around for numerous reasons. But you know what opinions are. 30 years into a career at this point. It's not the first time I've seen an officer over react in a situation.

Curious as a LEO - do you think the shooting is totally justified, questionably justified, or clearly unjustified?

 

[nrpate05]

https://twitter.com/x/status/2016618176843284738

I had to scour the Internet for it. But I found it. BBC has the original video but I didn't find it there quickly looking. I still feel the same way I did below.

If he was such a menace, why didn't they arrest him then? I've heard ICE is keeping records of people they have had past encounters with. Makes you wonder if this killing may have been premeditated...

 

[Forkyfinder]

If he was such a menace, why didn't they arrest him then? I've heard ICE is keeping records of people they have had past encounters with. Makes you wonder if this killing may have been premeditated...

Don't know. Id imagine typically local law enforcement is around to help with resources such as staff and jail space.

Did you notice that local law enforcement is helping now?

 

[Bonasababy]

I had numerous people approach me while armed as a LEO and guess what not one of them died. Many of them with ill intentions or mentally unstable as well. I side with the NRA's statement. But we will not see an unbiased investigation into this shooting IMO if the FBI handles the investigation. Or any federal agency for that matter I think. On the flip side I'm not so sure a state or local investigation would be unbiased as well.
In my opinion this is a bad shoot all the way around for numerous reasons. But you know what opinions are. 30 years into a career at this point. It's not the first time I've seen an officer over react in a situation.

The obvious need is for what has routinely happened in MN...a joint investigation. FBI and BCA are the usual partners.

BCA here is a state agency with a solid reputation. Cases where they recommended no charges in LEO shootings. We've seen some overzealous prosecutors charge anyway and lose due to reasons BCA used in recommending no charges.

City police wouldn't have been involved, they (BCA) would have.

Federal Leo's refused access to BCA crime scene investigators at both the Good and Pretti shooting scenes. They had to get a court order to allow access to the Pretti scene but evidence was contaminated or gone by then.

 

[406dn]

The obvious need is for what has routinely happened in MN...a joint investigation. FBI and BCA are the usual partners.

BCA here is a state agency with a solid reputation. Cases where they recommended no charges in LEO shootings. We've seen some overzealous prosecutors charge anyway and lose due to reasons BCA used in recommending no charges.

City police wouldn't have been involved, they (BCA) would have.

Federal Leo's refused access to BCA crime scene investigators at both the Good and Pretti shooting scenes. They had to get a court order to allow access to the Pretti scene but evidence was contaminated or gone by then.

It is beyond obvious that absent, so many angles, provided by civilian videos, the coverups would be complete by now.

The Trump regime would be decrying any counter narrative as fake news. The faithful would believe their leader, and dismiss dissenters as woke traitors.

 

[Rainer]

So

If he was such a menace, why didn't they arrest him then? I've heard ICE is keeping records of people they have had past encounters with. Makes you wonder if this killing may have been premeditated...

That makes it a state sanctioned execution

 

[Gulf of America]

For years he was just the beloved local auto shop owner. Then came Border Patrol.

When Border Patrol arrested a beloved mechanic in Froid, Montana, neighbors were forced to reckon with national immigration policy.

montanafreepress.org

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Curious as a LEO - do you think the shooting is totally justified, questionably justified, or clearly unjustified?

He answered your question in the post of his you quoted.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

I had numerous people approach me while armed as a LEO and guess what not one of them died. Many of them with ill intentions or mentally unstable as well. I side with the NRA's statement. But we will not see an unbiased investigation into this shooting IMO if the FBI handles the investigation. Or any federal agency for that matter I think. On the flip side I'm not so sure a state or local investigation would be unbiased as well.
In my opinion this is a bad shoot all the way around for numerous reasons. But you know what opinions are. 30 years into a career at this point. It's not the first time I've seen an officer over react in a situation.

Not a chance in hell of an unbiased investigation either way.

One can take a look at the George Floyd trials to see how the MN folks treat their investigations and run corrupt trials.

 

[Mallardsx2]

For years he was just the beloved local auto shop owner. Then came Border Patrol.

When Border Patrol arrested a beloved mechanic in Froid, Montana, neighbors were forced to reckon with national immigration policy.

montanafreepress.org

So? What's your point in posting this here?

Seems like a solid arrest to me. The guy was in this country ILLEGALLY.

 

[406dn]

For years he was just the beloved local auto shop owner. Then came Border Patrol.

When Border Patrol arrested a beloved mechanic in Froid, Montana, neighbors were forced to reckon with national immigration policy.

montanafreepress.org

I have pheasant hunted the Froid area for over 35 years. It, like every small town, is fighting to stay alive. It seems to have a good amount of civic pride. Certainly they have welcomed hunters with open arms.

I have difficulty forgiving their naivety with what happened. It is EXACTLY what was promised during the campaign. It does show just how much money is being spent to round up just one individual. How this pencils out is not easy to see.

Froid, just lost one viable business and family. It is one more nail in their coffin. I doubt they will admit, they helped make it happen.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

So? What's your point in posting this here?

Seems like a solid arrest to me. The guy was in this country ILLEGALLY.

I wanna know what Froidian reported him, was it you @Frequently Banned Troll

 

[Irrelevant]

So? What's your point in posting this here?

Seems like a solid arrest to me. The guy was in this country ILLEGALLY.

Maybe this part:
A U.S. Department of Justice lawyer wearing a black suit advocated for Orozco-Ramirez to remain in detention, calling him “dangerous.” Several of the dozen or so Froid residents, who had driven seven hours to show their support for their neighbor, shook their heads.

A public defender rebutted this, referencing a previous statement by the local sheriff stating he “posed no danger to the community.” Court documents say Orozco-Ramirez has no criminal history.

Ultimately, federal Judge John Johnston set a preliminary hearing, where a judge will determine if there is enough evidence for the case to proceed, for Feb. 5 and a detention hearing, to determine whether he should be released on bail throughout his case, on Feb. 9. He will remain in detention until then.

When and why does the Sheriff's opinion not matter? If he's not dangerous, he could/should be released on bail so that he can at least prepare his affairs should he be deported.

It also points to the nuance involved when the rubber meets the road on federal immigration policy.

 

[Irrelevant]

I wanna know what Froidian reported him, was it you @Frequently Banned Troll

It's the new strategy for winning hs basketball, turn in folks from opposing towns.

 

[Irrelevant]

I have difficulty forgiving their naivety with what happened. It is EXACTLY what was promised during the campaign.

Many people hear but don’t listen. When was the last time you heard someone say they voted for a candidate? Most people vote against someone. And because we only ever experience one outcome, no one can know what life would have been like under the alternative—making it impossible to disprove the claim that, however bad things are, they’d have been worse under the other candidate.

 

[trb]

The flippant way some of you are discussing these issues is disappointing and demonstrates a profound disconnection from the lived experiences of people who do not look like you.

Whatever you allow your government to do to others, it will eventually be done to you.

 

[Hilljackoutlaw]

Maybe this part:
A U.S. Department of Justice lawyer wearing a black suit advocated for Orozco-Ramirez to remain in detention, calling him “dangerous.” Several of the dozen or so Froid residents, who had driven seven hours to show their support for their neighbor, shook their heads.

A public defender rebutted this, referencing a previous statement by the local sheriff stating he “posed no danger to the community.” Court documents say Orozco-Ramirez has no criminal history.

Ultimately, federal Judge John Johnston set a preliminary hearing, where a judge will determine if there is enough evidence for the case to proceed, for Feb. 5 and a detention hearing, to determine whether he should be released on bail throughout his case, on Feb. 9. He will remain in detention until then.

When and why does the Sheriff's opinion not matter? If he's not dangerous, he could/should be released on bail so that he can at least prepare his affairs should he be deported.

It also points to the nuance involved when the rubber meets the road on federal immigration policy.

Change the law then. Sounds to me that he had plenty of time in America to get his affairs in order and get the proper paperwork to be considered a lawful citizen. He certainly had enough time and money to build a repair shop himself from the ground up. He was deported before seems like that would of been enough of a scare and wake up call to get his immigrant status in order.
It sucks big time I do agree on that, but he didnt follow the law and somebody in Froid probably didnt like that or had some other small town vendetta against him so they reported him is my guess.

 

[Bonasababy]

Not a chance in hell of an unbiased investigation either way.

One can take a look at the George Floyd trials to see how the MN folks treat their investigations and run corrupt trials.

Gotta be sarcasm right? Floyd was another case where...thank God due to a scared young girls video...we all witnessed an unjustified murder.