New threat to 2nd A?

[Forkyfinder]

Looks like he was potentially wielding his pistol at one point in the altercation.

Not saying what happened is justified or even that it would be if he did have his gun unholstered. Ive come to accept that the full set of facts takes time in all of the charged news stories.

Like any of the controversial shootings that get covered like this - people painting things in black and white aren't seeing things for what they are or might be. Take time before reaching conclusions especially absolutist ones....

 

[Point Creep]

BS - he was rescuing some poor little old lady that was being maced.

Imagine needing a job this badly..

https://www.ice.gov/join

 

[TOGIE]

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Looks like he was potentially wielding his pistol at one point in the altercation.

Not saying what happened is justified or even that it would be if he did have his gun unholstered. Ive come to accept that the full set of facts takes time in all of the charged news stories.

Like any of the controversial shootings that get covered like this - people painting things in black and white aren't seeing things for what they are or might be. Take time before reaching conclusions especially absolutist ones....

i'm confused - are you saying that this masked man(?) holding a pistol is the same person as this unmasked man holding a phone? wearing different hats, jackets, and pants to boot?

is that what you're actually saying?

 

[Northwoods]

I must’ve seen different videos of the Pretti shooting then some of you. It is illegal to carry a concealed firearm while committing a crime. Pretti was participating in criminal activity prior to being shot by impeding law enforcement, encouraging a vehicle to drive through a blocked off area, etc.

Then he proceeded to assault an officer/agent by pushing them. Punishable by 8 years in prison. Pushing a law enforcement officer and fighting with law enforcement is a huge deal. Many LEOs are shot by their own gun. You have to be on your game when in close proximity to people as a LEO.

Prior to fight with the officers/agents one of them had already tried to get him to comply with less lethal force. Pretti then began to wrestle with several officers/agents. He was disarmed but it’s very likely in all the chaos the officer/agent that fired the first shot didn’t know his gun had been removed (that could be key). It looked like Pretti was trying to stand up with something in his hand when he was shot. Probably just his phone but this was a split second decision. All of these deportations could probably be being handled differently, Obama deported millions without making all this noise. It does blow my mind that people are willing to put there lives on the line for illegal aliens. Do they think Waltz and Frey actually care about them?

 

[Point Creep]

From the video I saw, it appeared he was shot in the back while on the ground just after being disarmed by another agent. Shooter looked to be a scared/confused agent, likely magnified by the hoards of yelling, aggressive, blue haired, rape whistle blowing crowds of peaceful protesters, throwing things and shoving people around.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

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Looks like he was potentially wielding his pistol at one point in the altercation.

Not saying what happened is justified or even that it would be if he did have his gun unholstered. Ive come to accept that the full set of facts takes time in all of the charged news stories.

Like any of the controversial shootings that get covered like this - people painting things in black and white aren't seeing things for what they are or might be. Take time before reaching conclusions especially absolutist ones....

What are you getting at here? There's lots of videos from different angles showing what happened including those showing the agent in gray removing the pistol from Pretti's hip seconds before the shooting started. Some video actually looked to indicate the pistol (p320) might have AD'd in the agents hand shortly after removing from Pretti and in turn triggering other agents to shoot Pretti. What I saw was too blurry to say for sure but it does appear that way. Never saw anything indicating Pretti was reaching for it.

 

[Wes Mantooth]

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Looks like he was potentially wielding his pistol at one point in the altercation.

Not saying what happened is justified or even that it would be if he did have his gun unholstered. Ive come to accept that the full set of facts takes time in all of the charged news stories.

Like any of the controversial shootings that get covered like this - people painting things in black and white aren't seeing things for what they are or might be. Take time before reaching conclusions especially absolutist ones....

That's not Pretti with the gun, but an ICE agent with Pretti's gun walking away after Pretti was killed. Pretti was not wearing a mask.
"According to former acting DHS undersecretary Cohen, the officers do not appear to be following the tactical steps to control and arrest Pretti. “This just seemed to be a free-for-all, and they didn't seem to have any understanding from a tactical perspective on how to gain control of that individual,” he said."

An analysis conducted by Robert Maher, a professor at Montana State University specializing in audio forensics, concluded that 10 shots were fired in less than 5 seconds.

His First and Second Amendment rights were violated in about 15 seconds...

 

[Big Sky Guy]

What are you getting at here? There are ample videos showing agent in gray removing the pistol from Pretti's hip seconds before the shooting started. Some video actually looked to indicate the pistol (p320) might have AD'd in the agents hand shortly after removing from Pretti and in turn triggering other agents to shoot Pretti. What I saw was too blurry to say for sure but it does appear that way. Never saw anything indicating Pretti was reaching for it.

Of course it was a P320. Here we go again.

 

[Wind Gypsy]

Of course it was a P320. Here we go again.

https://t.co/D4k3GF0KuW

 

[Gulf of America]

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Looks like he was potentially wielding his pistol at one point in the altercation.

Not saying what happened is justified or even that it would be if he did have his gun unholstered. Ive come to accept that the full set of facts takes time in all of the charged news stories.

Like any of the controversial shootings that get covered like this - people painting things in black and white aren't seeing things for what they are or might be. Take time before reaching conclusions especially absolutist ones....

This is a perfect example of the $*)Q!#@$ problem. We can't tell the difference between the agents and any other random guy wearing a mask and jacket and carrying a gun. That's pretty #@)(*%* up. The only way to know that the guy with the gun ISN'T the citizen who was murdered, is that the citizen WASN'T wearing a mask.

 

[Jorgy]

I must’ve seen different videos of the Pretti shooting then some of you. It is illegal to carry a concealed firearm while committing a crime. Pretti was participating in criminal activity prior to being shot by impeding law enforcement, encouraging a vehicle to drive through a blocked off area, etc.

Then he proceeded to assault an officer/agent by pushing them. Punishable by 8 years in prison. Pushing a law enforcement officer and fighting with law enforcement is a huge deal. Many LEOs are shot by their own gun. You have to be on your game when in close proximity to people as a LEO.

Prior to fight with the officers/agents one of them had already tried to get him to comply with less lethal force. Pretti then began to wrestle with several officers/agents. I am not badge heavy but if someone is carrying a gun or knife they better kiss the ground when I tell them to, whether they brandish it or not. If someone starts fighting with me, they will probably get shot, even if they don’t have a weapon, especially if I’ve already used OC spray. All of these deportations could probably be being handled differently, Obama deported millions without making all this noise. It does blow my mind that people are willing to put there lives on the line for illegal aliens. Do they think Waltz and Frey actually care about them?

yes, you must have watched the video while licking a boot

 

[Forkyfinder]

What are you getting at here? There's lots of videos from different angles showing what happened including those showing the agent in gray removing the pistol from Pretti's hip seconds before the shooting started. Some video actually looked to indicate the pistol (p320) might have AD'd in the agents hand shortly after removing from Pretti and in turn triggering other agents to shoot Pretti. What I saw was too blurry to say for sure but it does appear that way. Never saw anything indicating Pretti was reaching for it.

That we don't know al I'm of the context of everything yet.

I am sure the facts will eventually all come out.

 

[Forkyfinder]

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Exactly my point

 

[TOGIE]

Exactly my point

what? amateur police work?

 

[Point Creep]

This is my favorite video of the day.

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[Point Creep]

The fake news headlines, but real yelling and FAFO theme can’t be disguised.

 

[Forkyfinder]

what? amateur police work?

If there was a gun discharged, Petti was known to have one, and he was actively engaging the police- you literally see 0 gray area?

Police aren't perfect robots. I don't expect, rely, or trust them to be either. I assume that you don't either.

 

[brymoore]

This is my favorite video of the day.

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Did she lose the finger from the flash bang?

 

[Bonasababy]

If a thorough and unbiased investigation isn’t conducted, if Noem and others within this administration don’t correct their blatant propaganda and are held accountable for it, if this is allowed to be swept aside for the next big distracting news story, then I believe this marks a real death blow to the rule of law. When Constitutional rights are so publicly violated and dismissed by those in authority without accountability, we accept the sort of tyranny that the Constitution was designed to thwart.

I’m calling on my Congressional representatives to uphold the rule of law.

It may be too late...the state sent our top cops for incident response and investigation...from our Bureau of Criminal apprehension..to the scene very quickly....ICE and federal officials did NOT allow them near the scene and refused to cooperate.

 

[Stretcher_Jockey]

Absolutely on this point. We (still) have a Constitution
ICE is a dangerous joke. Masks, no probable cause, etc. They remind me of those guys you went to high school with who "almost" became a Navy Seal, or "could have" been in the CIA...but now can't pass a reading test and get winded going up stairs. And now they have guns and too much ego. What could possibly go wrong...

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