New bill about blinds near troughs

[44hunter45]

I imagine Idaho, like MT, is a fence out state. Which means the responsibility of keeping livestock off adjacent property lies with the adjacent property owners, not the livestock owner.

"Fence Out" is reversed if you are in a herd district. In herd districts, the livestock owner is also liable in all livestock vs vehicle accidents on public roads.

 

[sclancy27]

"Fence Out" is reversed if you are in a herd district. In herd districts, the livestock owner is also liable in all livestock vs vehicle accidents on public roads.

Yea, it changes in MT depending on where you are, but most of the state is fence out.

 

[44hunter45]

Yea, it changes in MT depending on where you are, but most of the state is fence out.

There is an ARCGis layer for this in both ID and MT.

 

[fowladdict]

If sitting in a blind were difficult, no one would do it.

Are you sure?

 

[CowboyLeroy]

Somebody explain to me (a useful idiot) why it is farm bureau or the farm and ranch community would want to ban blinds near water?

 

[Elkmagnet]

Somebody explain to me (a useful idiot) why it is farm bureau or the farm and ranch community would want to ban blinds near water?

Honest short answer- control.
Little longer short answer- To many people on their undeeded land! (Blm) + The percentage of hunters who are chitty people and do stupid stuff.

 

[sclancy27]

Are you sure?

Positive

 

[CowboyLeroy]

Honest short answer- control.
Little longer short answer- To many people on their undeeded land! (Blm) + The percentage of hunters who are chitty people and do stupid stuff.

That seems like an odd thing to target if control is what you're after. I figured it would have been something more along the lines of "bait" or exploitation or something

 

[Elkmagnet]

That seems like an odd thing to target if control is what you're after. I figured it would have been something more along the lines of "bait" or exploitation or something

Can you elaborate for my lack of comprehension?

 

[fowladdict]

Positive

Cool. I'm occasionally a "no one" then.

 

[CowboyLeroy]

Can you elaborate for my lack of comprehension?

Like saying that targeting water holes is unfair or something. Not saying i agree. Just saying i thought that was what the original thought was

 

[TheTone]

Somebody explain to me (a useful idiot) why it is farm bureau or the farm and ranch community would want to ban blinds near water?

They (farm bureau) have huge pull in the legislature, especially on an election year. Supposedly this bill’s sponsor had not read it prior to introducing it. And yes at the end of the day this was almost certainly all about control of land and who uses it

 

[sclancy27]

They (farm bureau) have huge pull in the legislature, especially on an election year. Supposedly this bill’s sponsor had not read it prior to introducing it. And yes at the end of the day this was almost certainly all about control of land and who uses it

So this bill said you can't hunt public land...?

That's like saying they are "closing off access" to public land because they aren't allowing me to drive a UTV all over it.

 

[brymoore]

Like saying that targeting water holes is unfair or something. Not saying i agree. Just saying i thought that was what the original thought was

FB’s argument was the blinds at the water holes spooked cattle from drinking from the water holes. No blinds would mean better hydrated cattle which would improve the health of the herd. I had a landowner back the FB claim with his personal observations.

 

[Elkmagnet]

Like saying that targeting water holes is unfair or something. Not saying i agree. Just saying i thought that was what the original thought was

My understanding is not that its unfair as I said earlier in this thread In Idaho it takes about 1000 hunter days in the field for every 25-30 pronghorn killed with a bow.

Its a strange issue with ranchers I talk to. Most want all of the proghorn run off but dont want hunters hunting their water holes.
To be fair without ranchers creating those small earthen dams my area would have a lot less antilope habitat. Also some hunters do suck.

 

[Elkmagnet]

FB’s argument was the blinds at the water holes spooked cattle from drinking from the water holes. No blinds would mean better hydrated cattle which would improve the health of the herd. I had a landowner back the FB claim with his personal observations.

This is funny because cows will absolutely destroy a blind when left unattended.

 

[Elkmagnet]

Positive

Remind us how many full days you have spent in a blind out in the desert?
I have never tried golf but it looks easy so people play it like its a "sport".

 

[sclancy27]

Remind us how many full days you have spent in a blind out in the desert?
I have never tried golf but it looks easy so people play it like its a "sport".

So you're saying people sit in blinds because it's hard?

I've sat waterholes plenty in AZ with a bow and rifle for deer. I could have shot bucks every single day.

The point is you can still hunt those areas for antelope all you want. That's the definition of access.

 

[TheTone]

So this bill said you can't hunt public land...?

That's like saying they are "closing off access" to public land because they aren't allowing me to drive a UTV all over it.

Should the farm bureau or legislature be setting rules for how people hunt or should they be left to the commission in place to do that?

I sure hope no ranchers place blinds or treestands near water on their property

 

[Elkmagnet]

So you're saying people sit in blinds because it's hard?

I've sat waterholes plenty in AZ with a bow and rifle for deer. I could have shot bucks every single day.

The point is you can still hunt those areas for antelope all you want. That's the definition of access.

So how many full days do you estimate? Regardless its not a slam dunk in Idaho as is evident by the numbers. Have you considered that Idaho would typically have more water sources and higher moisture content in its vegetation? Also Idahos thunderstorms season happens to be during archery pronghorn season. It just might be different from you experience in Arizona. But don't trust me look up the harvest statistics.